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11 Jul 2019, 5:58 pm

Ocasio-Cortez calls Pelosi's 'singling out' of Democratic women of color 'disrespectful'

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Democratic Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York suggested that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has been "singling out" freshman congresswomen of color — the latest charge in a growing rift between the leader of the party in the chamber and the high-profile progressive freshman.

The comments from lawmakers highlight the tension Pelosi is facing trying to keep her caucus united between a liberal left wing of the party, the moderates that flipped red or purple districts as well as establishment members of the party. But over the past week, it's remarks that Pelosi herself made that appears to have angered a group of four lawmakers -- shorthandedly referred to on Capitol Hill as a "the squad" -- which includes Ocasio-Cortez.
"When these comments first started, I kind of thought that she was keeping the progressive flank at more of an arm's distance in order to protect more moderate members, which I understood," Ocasio-Cortez told The Washington Post in an interview published Wednesday.

"But the persistent singling out ... it got to a point where it was just outright disrespectful ... the explicit singling out of newly elected women of color," Ocasio-Cortez added.
Ocasio-Cortez stood by her claim Thursday that Pelosi has been unfairly zeroing in on freshman women of color.

"It's really just pointing out the pattern, right? We're not talking about just progressives, it's signaling out four individuals," Ocasio-Cortez told CNN on Capitol Hill. "And knowing the media environment that we're operating in, knowing the amount of death threats that we get, knowing the amount of concentration detention, I think it's just worth asking why."
Asked if she thinks Pelosi has racial animus or is racist, Ocasio-Cortez said unequivocally, "No, no, absolutely not, absolutely not."

During her weekly news conference later Thursday, Pelosi did not directly respond to Ocasio-Cortez's comments.
"We respect the value of every member of our caucus," Pelosi told reporters when asked by CNN about recent criticism of Ocasio-Cortez and three of her freshmen colleagues. "The diversity of it all is a wonderful thing."
She argued that progressives took offense because she addressed "at the request of my members an offensive tweet," alluding to Ocasio-Cortez's chief of staff's post that compared moderates to segregationists (he has since deleted the tweet).

"How they're interpreting and carrying it to another place is up to them, but I'm not going to be discussing it any further," she said.

Other lawmakers criticized Ocasio-Cortez's comments more directly. Rep. Lacy Clay of Missouri accused Ocasio-Cortez of using "the race card" in her comments to the Post.

"What a weak argument," Clay said. "Because you can't get your way, and because you are -, you're getting pushback, you resort to use the race card? Unbelievable. Unbelievable to me."
It's clear Pelosi's comments have directly affected the New York freshman. A progressive House aide tells CNN that they have never seen members picked on by a speaker this much before. This aide added that the "alienation" of the freshmen progressives has been a pattern but leaves it to Ocasi-Cortez to stand by her remarks, "unless you are a woman of color in that situation I don't think you can judge."

This aide added that Pelosi has "said her peace," at the caucus meeting to her members trying to explain her comments to The New York Times' Maureen Dowd.
"People need to understand that Pelosi has to get to 218," the senior Democratic aide says. "Ask her something and she relates it to votes."

Besides Pelosi, other progressives are expressing interest in meeting with party leadership to lower the temperature. Rep. Mark Pocan of Wisconsin said that he and Rep. Pramila Jayapal of Washington are setting up a meeting with Pelosi and Majority Leader Steny Hoyer of Maryland to discuss the relationship between the Progressive Caucus and the Democratic Caucus.

"This is a pretty busy week on the floor for everybody, but probably next week," Pocan said.

On Wednesday, Pelosi made an impassioned plea to her caucus for party unity as tensions among the progressive and moderate fractions have been at a high.
But in an interview with The New York Times posted Saturday, Pelosi knocked four liberal members of her caucus who had voted against the House border supplemental package before the July Fourth recess.
Though she didn't mention them by name, Pelosi was referring to Reps. Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar of Minnesota, Rashida Tlaib of Michigan and Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts.
"All of these people have their public whatever and their Twitter world," Pelosi told the Times. "But they didn't have any following. They're four people and that's how many votes they got."
Pelosi has stood by her comments this week, saying she was simply stating that the four members voted against the bill. She also told reporters she does not have any regrets about her remarks.

The House speaker made similar comments about Ocasio-Cortez in an April interview.
"While there are people who have a large number of Twitter followers, what's important is that we have large numbers of votes on the floor of the House," Ocasio-Cortez told USA Today.
In February, Pelosi announced the Democratic members for her select panel on the climate crisis without Ocasio-Cortez included. Pelosi told reporters that Ocasio-Cortez had turned down her offer to sit on the committee, according to Politico.
She was asked by Politico about the "Green New Deal" and responded dismissively about the sweeping legislative proposal Ocasio-Cortez has championed that aims to combat climate change.
"It will be one of several or maybe many suggestions that we receive," Pelosi said, Politico reported. "The green dream or whatever they call it, nobody knows what it is, but they're for it, right?"


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11 Jul 2019, 7:32 pm

Pelosi is having problems keeping the herd together. They’re spooked and looking for a reason to stampede…..



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12 Jul 2019, 5:58 am

I love it when they all start turning on themselves. Pelosi's 'singling out' couldn't possibly be because of the spouting of socialist propaganda in a capitalistic country. It just has to be because the four horseman of the apocalypse are brown. You know it's an old shoe when the party who campaigns on it is using it on each other. :skull:


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12 Jul 2019, 6:46 am

"AOC sweetly suggested in an interview with the New Yorker’s David Remnick: “I think there are some folks that are of a certain age where you can kind of question their capacity.”

That certain age for one folk might be 29. Everything I see coming from the democrat side is a big reelect Trump 2020 advertisement.



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12 Jul 2019, 9:36 am

Shrapnel wrote:
"AOC sweetly suggested in an interview with the New Yorker’s David Remnick: “I think there are some folks that are of a certain age where you can kind of question their capacity.”

That certain age for one folk might be 29. Everything I see coming from the democrat side is a big reelect Trump 2020 advertisement.

Age does not register on the intersectional oppression scale, another words ageism is an acceptable “ism”.

I agree taking away private health insurance, reparations, decriminalizing illegal immigration, saying the “Betsy Ross Flag” needs to be removed are toxic electorally.

I do not know how true it is but there has been some mention in the media that Republicans and Conservatives that remained “never Trump” into his Presidency despite most of their fellow travelers caving in and joining the Trump train are talking about voting for him in 2020 because the Democrats seem so into or enabling of woke identity politics and socialism.


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12 Jul 2019, 12:10 pm

@ ASpartofme.

The phrase is "in other words".

Not "another words" :lol: .

Frank enunciates the common expression quite clearly here:



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12 Jul 2019, 1:48 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Age does not register on the intersectional oppression scale, another words ageism is an acceptable “ism”.

I agree with that and I wonder how many would object if AOC were to propose her 'New Soylent Green Deal' to combat the questionable capacity of ageists and their drag on society.



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12 Jul 2019, 2:12 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:

I do not know how true it is but there has been some mention in the media that Republicans and Conservatives that remained “never Trump” into his Presidency despite most of their fellow travelers caving in and joining the Trump train are talking about voting for him in 2020 because the Democrats seem so into or enabling of woke identity politics and socialism.


This description mostly fits me, but I won't be voting for Trump in 2020. I'll be voting 3rd party again like I did in 2016. 3rd party voting is on the rise, and if the trend continues it will not be written off as a throwaway vote much longer.

It's mind blowing that Nancy Pelosi, long the right's punching bag as a face of left-wing politics is being attacked from her left.

For all the hate people hurl at Mitch McConnell his control of his party in the senate is quite remarkable.


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12 Jul 2019, 2:35 pm

Antrax wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:

I do not know how true it is but there has been some mention in the media that Republicans and Conservatives that remained “never Trump” into his Presidency despite most of their fellow travelers caving in and joining the Trump train are talking about voting for him in 2020 because the Democrats seem so into or enabling of woke identity politics and socialism.


This description mostly fits me, but I won't be voting for Trump in 2020. I'll be voting 3rd party again like I did in 2016. 3rd party voting is on the rise, and if the trend continues it will not be written off as a throwaway vote much longer.



I voted third-party in the last two elections and will likely do so again next year. I'll be continually told, "Now is not the time" -- but they've been saying that for years. It's the narrative the political establishment champions, while they are actively seeking to keep third-party, independent, and all candidates within the two parties that are campaigning on platforms that are a threat to maintaining the corporate state.


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12 Jul 2019, 2:38 pm

Antrax wrote:

It's mind blowing that Nancy Pelosi, long the right's punching bag as a face of left-wing politics is being attacked from her left.

It was entirely predictable.
Pelosi and the democratic leadership brought this upon themselves when they refused to stand up against the anti-Semitic rants of Ilhan Omar, the hate and bigotry of Tlaib and the constant race baiting of AOC. If the democrats had the decency to expel fascism from its party and let these four poisonous young race-baiters go, they might have a real chance of governing. As it is, the New Democratic Party is a party of hate, bigotry and racism and America is better than that.



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12 Jul 2019, 3:27 pm

I suppose congratulations are in order for Ms. Ocasio-Cortez. She's managed to get Donald Trump and Nancy Pelosi on the same side:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/12/politics ... index.html


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12 Jul 2019, 3:33 pm

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...is a party of hate, bigotry and racism and America is better than that.


Please excuse me while I laugh my ass off.
:lol: :lol: :lol:


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12 Jul 2019, 3:50 pm

^That really is funny btw. America is a racist country. It has ALWAYS been a racist country and it always will be. Democrat or Republican. Quit kidding yourself. :lol:


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12 Jul 2019, 7:02 pm

TheRevengeofTW1ZTY wrote:
^That really is funny btw. America is a racist country. It has ALWAYS been a racist country and it always will be. Democrat or Republican. Quit kidding yourself. :lol:


The thing is though the Democrats are running on a platform of combating hate, bigotry and racism.



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12 Jul 2019, 7:09 pm

EzraS wrote:
TheRevengeofTW1ZTY wrote:
^That really is funny btw. America is a racist country. It has ALWAYS been a racist country and it always will be. Democrat or Republican. Quit kidding yourself. :lol:


The thing is though the Democrats or running on a platform of combating hate, bigotry and racism.


Democrats are racist without realizing they are racist, and Republicans are openly racist but deny being racist as a way of gaslighting Liberals. :P


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