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10 Aug 2019, 1:29 am

DeepHour wrote:
I'd be inclined to disagree with you about Sri Lanka and Pakistan in that era. The former had players like De Silva, Jayasuriya, Jayawardene and Muralitharan, and reached three World Cup finals. Pakistan had Wasim Akram, Waquar Younis, Inzamam-Ul-Haq, Saeed Anwar and Shoaib Akhtar . It was no easy task to face these sides on their home turf.


Yes these countries are notorious for doctoring their pitches so I'll give credit to the English for taking them on their home turf.



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10 Aug 2019, 12:18 pm

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Last time when "England ruled the waves" in cricket they were captained by the brilliant mind of Michael Brearley and spear headed by the pace of Bob Willis/Iam Botham and Dereck Randall/David Gower dominated the batting top order.

England's demise as a test team coincided with the appointment of Mike Gatting in the late 1980s much the same way the West Indies fell into an abyss when Richie Richardson was appointed captain of their previously world beating team in the early 1990s.



That's essentially true about Gatting. He came across as a rather oikish, not very bright sort of character. Old-school cricket followers who remembered the side being led by the likes of Cowdrey, Dexter, MJK Smith and Brearley himself, must have been horrified and maybe reflected that the 'democratization' of the game might not be an entirely welcome development.

Gatting, to be fair, did get off to an excellent start with a surprise series win in Australia in 1986-7 (though some might say that Chris Broad won that series single-handedly!). But he was unable to build on that as the side stumbled on through the late 80s and early 90s.

Gower was also deficient as England captain in the mid 80s. He always came across as too dilettantish and playboy-like for the role. There were good series wins in India (1984-5) and against Australia (1985), but I also recall his foolish 'sporting declaration' against the West Indies in the second test (1984), when he set the opposition 344 to win on the final day, and seemed surprised when they knocked off the runs for the loss of only one wicket, showing contempt for England's powder puff attack. That put the Windies 2-0 up after two matches, and was psychologically devastating. Needless to say, they won the series 5-0, and when Gower's side was blown away in the Carribean in 1985-6 (5-0 again), that was the end of him as captain.


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11 Aug 2019, 12:11 am

Yes I suppose Gower's narcissistic self-centredness started the rot for England (although captains are not always to blame, England and the West Indies were devoid of really talented consistent performing players in the late 1980s). Brian Lara was of a similar ilk to Gower in that he spent more time playing for himself than playing for the team. Although to be fair the West Indies have never really been able to attract youngsters to cricket as many talented athletes choose more financially lucrative American sports. In England soccer attracted the best athletes for the same reasons.

Getting back to Gower (an much like Lara) he was a pleasure to watch, graceful, elegant and effortless when playing shots. On the other hand Gatting reminded me of a crab.



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12 Aug 2019, 12:24 pm

Glad to see Ali go after abysmal performance of late. Archer is an interesting selection and quite just given his performance at the World Cup, but seems foolhardy (desperate?) to include someone with no prior test experience for such a crucial fixture. We'll see.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/crick ... ralia.html



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13 Aug 2019, 2:06 am

Jofra Archer is quite a talent...He plays in the Australian summer "Big Bash" 20-20 series for Tasmania.



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14 Aug 2019, 7:41 am

Second test hasn't even started yet... rained off.


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14 Aug 2019, 7:45 am

By golly, it's raining cats and dogs!

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Jofra Archer is quite a talent...He plays in the Australian summer "Big Bash" 20-20 series for Tasmania.

Yeah, I saw that. I get the impression he won't do so well in the test game, though.



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15 Aug 2019, 4:27 am

I find the Duckworth Lewis system very confusing and contentious to calculate when it rains in one day matches



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15 Aug 2019, 2:16 pm

I'm writing an obituary for English cricket.



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16 Aug 2019, 3:55 am

Not such a jolly good show for "old England"

Well there's always the third test



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16 Aug 2019, 4:03 am

poor from England yesterday, but a couple of early wickets and it's game on! (that's what I am telling myself!)



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16 Aug 2019, 7:18 am

80-4. All is not lost.



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16 Aug 2019, 10:05 pm

Indeed! England is fighting back! Glory to the empire!!



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17 Aug 2019, 12:21 am

Headline today is that England may be frustrated by the weather. England have been saved by the weather enough times... so we can't complain really.


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17 Aug 2019, 5:31 am

I've been told an English summer is almost exactly like a Melbourne winter...no wonder you lot came to the antipodes in droves....