El Paso mall shooting: At least 15 dead, 1 in custody

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07 Aug 2019, 4:32 am

shooters are like the bubbles that pop at the surface of a boiling kettle. Trump and the right wing have been applying the heat.

Young vulnerable males internalise rubbish like what trump parrots about "invasion" and reach a point where they think they have to act on it.



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07 Aug 2019, 4:46 am

It seems like the most significant part of this for some is using it for anti-trump propaganda. Even though the El Paso shooter went out of his way to discredit trump as a cause and the Dayton shooter was a lefty, opportunistic propaganda will still be milked from this regardless. I wish some would just be honest and say "we are going to exploit this to our fullest advantage". In some cases it is almost like expecting them to send a thank you card to the shooter.



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07 Aug 2019, 4:50 am

EzraS wrote:
It seems like the most significant part of this for some is using it for anti-trump propaganda. Even though the El Paso shooter went out of his way to discredit trump as a cause and the Dayton shooter was a lefty, opportunistic propaganda will still be milked from this regardless. I wish some would just be honest and say "we are going to exploit this to our fullest advantage". In some cases it is almost like expecting them to send a thank you card to the shooter.


As Bill has mentioned more than one shooter has credited trump's speeches for inspiring them to murder. I wouldn't rely on the Dayton shooter's tweets as his motives are entirely murky.



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07 Aug 2019, 4:54 am

I must have missed that. Which shooters credited Trump's speeches?



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07 Aug 2019, 5:23 am

Brendan tarrant directly attributed Trump before killing 50 innocent people in NZ....The El Paso shooter's manifesto used trump type language....



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07 Aug 2019, 6:02 am

Tarrant said the impetus for his attack came after his own visit to France.


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07 Aug 2019, 6:11 am

He still claimed inspiration from Trump https://au.news.yahoo.com/new-zealand-s ... C-JHQDPqwM



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07 Aug 2019, 6:25 am

If someone expresses admiration for Donald Trump and Anders Breivik, which of these woud you suspect to be more influential in said persons decision to go on a Spree killing?


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07 Aug 2019, 6:41 am

cyberdad wrote:
Brendan tarrant directly attributed Trump before killing 50 innocent people in NZ....The El Paso shooter's manifesto used trump type language....


The El Paso shooter specifically discredited Trump as a motivator.

If he had written 'Trump made me do it' you would be going on and on about it.

But since he wrote 'Trump had nothing to do with it' it is like you want to pretend he did not say that.

So that kinda leaves one. Two if you want to disregard his disclaimer.

I was expecting a higher number with the huge amount of terrorism Trump is supposed to be generating.



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07 Aug 2019, 2:45 pm

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I wish Al Gore didn't claim to have "invented the Internet."

Yeah that really didn't help his publicity.



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07 Aug 2019, 5:17 pm

Seriously who would want to admit that?



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07 Aug 2019, 5:20 pm

I actually think, for the most part, that the Internet is a great addition to our repertoire.



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07 Aug 2019, 5:58 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I actually think, for the most part, that the Internet is a great addition to our repertoire.

It’s a pretty outrageous claim though.



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07 Aug 2019, 6:13 pm

Of course it is!

It's obvious that Al Gore didn't invent the Internet!



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07 Aug 2019, 7:55 pm

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Even though there have been a lot of them, shooters are very rare when compared to the rest of the population. Like one out of a million or more.

They have varying reasons they give or law enforcement piecs together. But to me it is like their motive is more like an excuse to go on a shooting rampage.

I guess they fall into the 'natual born killer' category.

Or perhaps the serial killer category, except that they make their multiple kills all at once rather over a span of months or years.


I just watched a piece and I'm paraphrasing, but the interviewee called mass killings a ''rare occurrence but an emotional occurrence."

Many more people die by gun violence daily, but they die while engaging in behavior most US citizens can't relate to (street stuff). As a consequence those deaths are ignored. But because most people can relate to going to Wal-Mart, or a bar, the outrage is heightened. Which is understandable, but very sad.


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08 Aug 2019, 3:39 am

EzraS wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Brendan tarrant directly attributed Trump before killing 50 innocent people in NZ....The El Paso shooter's manifesto used trump type language....


The El Paso shooter specifically discredited Trump as a motivator.

If he had written 'Trump made me do it' you would be going on and on about it.

But since he wrote 'Trump had nothing to do with it' it is like you want to pretend he did not say that.

So that kinda leaves one. Two if you want to disregard his disclaimer.

I was expecting a higher number with the huge amount of terrorism Trump is supposed to be generating.


Sorry Ezra...you bombed on that one
https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/patrick- ... p-twitter/

Also prefer to follow science rather than WP trump fan club
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... e-crimes1/