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will american evangelicals spot the antichrist or worship him?
yes, they will. :twisted: 33%  33%  [ 5 ]
no, they're not that dumb. :| 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
i'm not sure. :shrug: 13%  13%  [ 2 ]
antichrist is a backward myth :roll: 33%  33%  [ 5 ]
where's my ice cream? :chef: 20%  20%  [ 3 ]
Total votes : 15

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23 Aug 2019, 9:08 am

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If I were the Antichrist, or the devil, the first thing I would do is confuse every religious person and make them think that doing bad things is good, and doing good things is bad. I would get the organizations to cherry pick the wrong texts for their holy books, interpret them in the worst possible way, and chastise anyone who dared to question it.
Too late; someone else beat you to it!

:wink: "Sic Papa dicit..."


In my opinion, multiple people from every major organized religion in the world beat me to the punch over 1000 years ago...



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23 Aug 2019, 11:54 pm

the evangelicals will take this historical amnesia to a new level.



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24 Aug 2019, 6:15 am

if you rearrange the letters of "the chosen one," you get "he cons thee." :mrgreen:



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24 Aug 2019, 9:12 am

'A leader who gains popularity in a democracy by exploiting prejudice and ignorance to arouse the
common people against elites, whipping up the passions of the crowd and shutting down reasoned
deliberation.'

i seriously Doubt Trump consulted a First Definition in a Google Search for His appointed Title;
the Most Despicable Leader (Demagogue) that Minions Will Follow as they have through all Human Ages.

Some Folks Are open minded to Different;

Other Folks are Not;

Some Folks Dance;

And Some Folks Do Not Dance;

Some Folks Rove; Some Folks Sit Still.

Some Folks Stay in the Desert; Other Folks Roam
Finding Living Paradise Beach; And Still Other Nomads
From the Desert Seek to Visit Change And Paradise now.

Some Folks Live in the Big City; Nomads for Greater Opportunity.
Other Folks Stay on a 'Farm'; more Closed Minded and Conservative;
Ripe For Greater Prejudices and also the Next Despicable Leader who
Comes their way as they exist more in Desert Scarcity Still Fruit Ripe for
the Picking for the Next Anti-Hero/Villain/Person with little to no Empathy/Anti-Christ
to Rule all their Prejudices about Life further than Plain Vanilla Life in the Desert Still Now.

It's True; this is generally Speaking a Long Aphorism Big Picture View of the Human Nature
Associated With Trump and His Minions now; but in deed this is part of Nature too and nothing new under a Sun Now;
or Sun God For Constantine Where Using the Bonds and Binds of existing Religion was a great way to Stay in Power
and Increase His Power too; not much different than 'Nero', who a 'Author' Named 'John' Described in a very Abstract
Constructed Story to go right over the Heads of those more 'Left Brain' Thinkers who have little Clue About Metaphors
That require 'Right' Brain Imagination to Decipher as true 'they' are more likely to take it literally and get fully lost
in 'gibberish' as Gospel Truth in Black and White; as true to the cycle goes on For they will Change the Metaphors
to Be Demagogue Leaders to make a Living as Pastors and Priests as the 'Clerical' Profession Checks the top
10 List of Professions that Draw in Folks who Lack Empathy and Feed off Serotonin and Dopamine as
they Lack many Receptors for Oxytocin a Deficit that doesn't Provide much Mo Jo to even pet a Dog
but to kick a
Dog around
or Minions
For Pleasure
off other Folks Pain
in Power and Status;
This is what Anti-Christs have always
done opposite to the Hero Archetype the
Servant Leader; 'the Jesus' who takes care of
the Least First as the Stronger Will Fend Better for themselves
As the Health and the Well Being of the Entire Tribe together
means basic subsistence and survival now/then. It's Just the 'Lion
King' Movie again and again; Obama is Gone and Trump is the Scar Lion King in ScarCity for now
until Abundance comes Back; if it ever does in Soul of Empathy for more Minions to be reborn as Love.

It's Worth Noting that Bible Stories Are not Bull Stuff; Nor are other Myths passed down as Housings For
Vehicles and Vessels that Bring Truth and Light into the Human Nature of Archetypes; yes, General Patterns
of Human Social Behavior; the same will be Seen amongst other Social Animal Groups Surviving in Basic Subsistence
where innate, instinctual and intuitive behaviors are part of their Genetics as they are ours too. We as Humans have
The Ability To Communicate; to Create Stories that House Vehicles and Vessels to get the Essence of the Story through.

We Live in a Twitter World now; Science Assessed Less than 3 Seconds Attention Span; Yes, constant Distractions
Make Literally Less than Human Gold Fish Attention Span on Average now as yes; Science Assessed Empiricism now.
When We Lose our Ability to tell and understand Metaphors of Stories; We Lose the River of Life Within that brings
Good and Bad Stuff to Reality. Trust me; i understand there is little target audience here too for any of this;
on the other Hand it's Muse enough as Question to Provide an Answer much Deeper than 140 to 280 Characters
in the Breath of a Gold Fish Attention Span now. Humans Usually do Stuff that makes 'em Feel Good but
Rationality as Science Shows now is most Definitely Secondary Servant at Best and Slave at Worse in
Addictions of Life to our Emotional And Sensory Life; Yes, Our Limbic System; and Reptile Brain
Oldest now; Senses First, Then Emotions, Then Rationality to try to explain what the Hell
or Heaven just occurred within me/us. Trump Is only Evidence That Rationality is
not the Strongest Suit of Human Nature for Folks Will Follow the Fire into the Fire
too if Heart Strings are plucked in Hell.


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25 Aug 2019, 1:38 am

^^^ :wtg: and QFT :idea:



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25 Aug 2019, 9:46 am

auntblabby wrote:
the evangelicals will take this historical amnesia to a new level.


Have you stocked up on your "prepper food" yet?

IF youre puzzled as to why God picked an irreligious amoral jerk like Trump to be the Messiah, rather than ...ya know...a god fearing pious guy like Ted Cruz, here is Jim Bakker and his crew to explain it (yes THAT Jim Bakker, who used to be married to Tammi Faye)



That was from the secular liberal David Pakman show. But there is also this religious conservative UTube host who is taking a hard look at Jim Bakker trying to sell "Biblical Donald Trump Gold Coins".



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26 Aug 2019, 3:40 am

how soon the flock forgot about jessica hahn. that guy is just a hypocritical horndoggin' psalm-singin' FAKE XTIAN POWERMONGER. he worships MAMMON and NOT GOD. just like ALL the REST of the fake xtians plugging the prosperity gospel obscenity.



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26 Aug 2019, 7:43 am

I think that evangelicals will be the easiest targets for the "Anti-Christ" to fool into becoming his followers.
All the "Anti-Christ" has to do is perform an apparent "miracle" or two for them, pander to their basest fears and desires and the evangelicals will soon be slobbering all over his hob-nailed jack-boots.


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26 Aug 2019, 7:45 am

and jim bakker will be, dollars to donuts [unless he kicks off from a heart attack or something], one of the antichrist's mouthpieces, as will franklin graham.



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26 Aug 2019, 7:49 am

auntblabby wrote:
and jim bakker will be, dollars to donuts [unless he kicks off from a heart attack or something], one of the antichrist's mouthpieces, as will franklin graham.
... unless they both meet with sudden, unfortunate "accidents", of course. There will be some of us who (I hope) will be able to see through the "Anti-Christ's" propaganda and know him for what he really is -- a blathering, blustering, greedy hate-monger out to take all the glory for himself before he destroys what's left of civilization.


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26 Aug 2019, 8:32 am

whomever it turns out to be, i remember reading that he will either be so utterly reasonable, that "nobody can make war with him" - or so terrible, that nobody could make war with him. nobody seems to know which it will be, we can only wait and see.



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26 Aug 2019, 8:52 am

auntblabby wrote:
... he will either be so utterly reasonable...
A "truly stable genius", perhaps?
auntblabby wrote:
... or so terrible...
A crass womanizer who brags about his penis? A bigot who attacks Mexican immigrants and Muslims as "undesirables"? An ignoramus who knows little of foreign policy? A posturing tough-guy who supports torture for America's enemies and the murder of terrorists' families? A serial liar who can’t be taken at his word? A bully who verbally bludgeons and intimidates his opponents into submission? A shameless showman who exploits the media while professing to hate it? A tyrant who sees himself as so far above the law that he acts as a law unto himself?

I wonder whom that could be ... :chin:
Donald J. Trump, perhaps?


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27 Aug 2019, 10:52 am

John 8:44 New International Version (NIV)

44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.


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27 Aug 2019, 11:38 am

Evangelists are some of the easiest people to fool. All you have to do is quote a few lines of Scripture and Gospel, perform an exegesis on them, declare abortion, homosexuality and the teaching of evolution as abominations to God, and you are likely to become one of their most trusted people. Just remember to utter a few shibboleths now and then, like "Precious Blood of The Lamb", "Personal Journey", "Travelling Mercies", "Fellowship", "Tithes And Offerings", and "Body of Christ".

Once they're convinced you are one of them, you can also convince them that they are under attack from every quarter, including "Liberals", "the Left", immigrants, science, feminists, the LGBTQ community, people on the autistic spectrum, psychologists, and even members of their own families.


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28 Aug 2019, 6:35 am

“The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.
An evil soul producing holy witness
Is like a villain with a smiling cheek,
A goodly apple rotten at the heart.
O, what a goodly outside falsehood hath!”
[Shakespeare, "The Merchant of Venice."]



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28 Aug 2019, 6:34 pm

auntblabby wrote:
this IS the "Politics, Religion & Philosophy" sub-forum here, so i thought i'd submit something i ran into while searching for other things-
(clicky)will american evangelicals spot the Antichrist, or even worship him? this is what the bible says-
He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior… He will use every kind of evil deception to fool those on their way to destruction, because they refuse to love and accept the truth that would save them.”
Daniel 8:25, 2 Thess 2:10
(clicky)at least one fundy wingnut says trump "is our miracle*."
He did everything wrong, politically. He offended gays. He offended women. He offended the military. He offended black people. He offended the Hispanic people. He offended everybody! And he became president of the United States. Only God could do that.”
-Franklin Graham, False Prophet
*“They [Israel] love him like he is the second coming of God..."
Wayne Allyn Root, self-described "jew turned evangelical christian"
"I am the chosen one." [our dear leader. who looked up to the heavens while speechifying this yesterday]

And as if that weren't enough , here is even more evidence , or at least coincidence , surrounding the Trump presidency . http://www.thehypertexts.com/Donald%20Trump%20Antichrist%20666.htm