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23 Sep 2019, 11:42 am

Allegedly Trump asked the Ukraine to investigate Biden and his son Hunter, using a U.S. military package as leverage to do so.

Lot of smoke, but there's been a lot of smoke all of Trump's presidency. If this can be proved, it would be a corruption charge that would necessitate an impeachment.


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24 Sep 2019, 10:44 am

No one wants to comment on the biggest US political story at the moment?


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24 Sep 2019, 10:47 am

Just a distraction from the fact that we're sending troops to Saudi Arabia for no reason....


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24 Sep 2019, 11:02 am

I believe his problems with hush-money in New York might prove to be more problematic for Trump.



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24 Sep 2019, 12:21 pm

Great post I like it.I authored the same one in the PPR forum but I like it none the less


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24 Sep 2019, 12:44 pm

This is standard practice for US presidents.

Do what they want or face the consequences.

What is the problem here?


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24 Sep 2019, 1:04 pm

It appears that Trump threatened to withhold 400 million in aid to Ukraine.

He's been doing that publicly since elected.

Trump threatens to withhold Honduras aid
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/20 ... nt-tweets/

Trump threatens to cut foreign aid over UN Jerusalem vote
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... salem-vote

Trump threatens to cut foreign aid to Pakistan
https://www.ft.com/content/61efdfc6-ef1 ... 7e26d1aca4

Trump threatens to cut Central American foreign aid
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN1MW1QM


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24 Sep 2019, 1:57 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
This is standard practice for US presidents.

Do what they want or face the consequences.

What is the problem here?


The problem is soliciting a foreign government for intelligence to influence an election. That's illegal and what the entire Mueller investigation was about. The Mueller investigation found nothing to show that Trump had done that in the 2016 election, but if he did so here it is a very big problem. Broadly using the powers of the presidency to tamper in elections is why Nixon resigned (and would have been impeached and convicted if he hadn't).


LoveNotHate wrote:
It appears that Trump threatened to withhold 400 million in aid to Ukraine.

He's been doing that publicly since elected.

Trump threatens to withhold Honduras aid
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/20 ... nt-tweets/

Trump threatens to cut foreign aid over UN Jerusalem vote
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... salem-vote

Trump threatens to cut foreign aid to Pakistan
https://www.ft.com/content/61efdfc6-ef1 ... 7e26d1aca4

Trump threatens to cut Central American foreign aid
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN1MW1QM


It's not threatening to withold aid that's the problem. It's threatening to withhold aid in exchange for intelligence on a political rival and election opponent.


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24 Sep 2019, 2:00 pm

Here's a wrinkle. Trump is going to release the transcript of his phone call with the Ukraine president tomorrow. Must be confident.


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24 Sep 2019, 2:31 pm

Antrax wrote:
It's not threatening to withold aid that's the problem. It's threatening to withhold aid in exchange for intelligence on a political rival and election opponent.

What law is this?

(I will search now).


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24 Sep 2019, 3:10 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
Antrax wrote:
It's not threatening to withold aid that's the problem. It's threatening to withhold aid in exchange for intelligence on a political rival and election opponent.

What law is this?

(I will search now).



https://www.vox.com/2019/6/14/18677631/ ... llegal-fbi


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24 Sep 2019, 3:11 pm

Pelosi is expected to announce a formal impeachment inquiry later today. I wonder if she's jumping the gun, or if she knows something we don't.


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25 Sep 2019, 1:45 pm

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/25/politics ... index.html Trancipt can be read here.


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25 Sep 2019, 1:52 pm

Looks like they got TRUMP ?

Probably won't mean much though.

Teflon Don can dodge bullets :)


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26 Sep 2019, 5:01 am

I hope they do finally impeach him so I don't keep hearing about it.

If only I had a dollar for every time they said impeach/impeached/impeachment for the last three years starting before he was even inaugurated.

It's like that movie Groundhog Day. Seemingly every day of the last thousand days, Trump being impeached is breaking headline news.



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26 Sep 2019, 5:15 am

Impeachment doesn’t mean all that much. Conviction means a lot more.

22 non-Democratic Senators will have to be persuaded to vote to convict—and all 45 Democrats.

I find that the odds are not in the Democrats’ favor on this.