Pepe's Antifa thread.

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There is social collapse in more or less all the west. Anything that says it's not true at all is simply feeding from denial or delusion.

To whom are you directing this comment?



Give me some counties, where Antifa is established, that compares to the degree of social dysfunction/collapse that was experienced in the period just prior to the establishment of the Nazi dictatorship?

I thought I made the context perfectly clear.

America has major problems but the rule of order seems well established in comparison to the aspect of history I was referring to.

I do believe the establishment is often ineffective at restraining violence from the far-right. Among factors are that often the state's security apparatus includes people who are sympathetic to far-right ideology and the violence it encourages. Part of the problem is that white nationalists and their sympathizers sometimes form part of the establishment. There's an election here and she won't be running again, but my current MP is someone who speaks in front of groups with white nationalist agendas and then tries to play dumb about it. She isn't the only Tory with ties to white nationalists either. They've been a problem within the Conservative Party here basically since they merged with the Reform Party, who never even really tried to conceal those ties.

The left since the 70s (at least in Anglo-America) has generally realized that violence against other people rarely benefits their cause. Parts of the radical left still encourage property damage, but also will insist that property damage and violence against people are not morally equivalent, which isn't an unreasonable thing to suggest (even if you still end up condemning property damage, it's reasonable to see vandalism and violence as not the same thing morally).

Ideally, it would be nice to have a world were thuggery didn't exist, but since we don't live in that ideal world I really have no problem with some leftists protesters risking their safety to ensure the other leftist protesters aren't attacked by jackbooted Stormfront goons or by police looking for an excuse to riot.

If Nazis want to peacefully counter-protest, all the power to them. But since they're known for instigating violence I've got utterly no qualms about the targets of their violence responding in kind.

What stands out to me is the difference between defending oneself and actively engaging/initiating violence and intimidation.
I have no problem with self-defence, even with the possible legal repercussions, but not premeditated and deliberately antagonistic anti-social behaviour.

When I was younger (and dumber) I was incensed when a non-disabled person parked in disabled, err, parking.
I then reasoned that the only people I would approach were those who were not in a position to intimidate me.
I acknowledged to myself that I wouldn't be so "brave" if a gang of bikies abused the parking restrictions.
My sanctimonious, self-righteous and virtue signalling position was contingent on the other party's physical strength.
At this point, I decided not to involve myself in such matters again.

If you look at the video, you see a very "brave" young "individua"l, flanked on one side by two of her own protesting group, intimidating a frail old couple.
How virtuous and epically heroic of this person. <extreme vitriolic sarcasm>

As I have said before, I believe this incident is hardly representative of the bulk Antifa's membership.
Well, I sincerely hope so.