The US just promised to adopt universal health care by 2030

Page 1 of 2 [ 16 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

beneficii
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 10 May 2005
Age: 35
Gender: Female
Posts: 6,838

06 Oct 2019, 3:50 am

At the UN:

https://qz.com/1711520/the-us-just-prom ... alth-care/

Now, we need to make sure the US keeps its promise.


_________________
I stand with our American citizens living abroad. We need to move to residence-based taxation.


Wolfram87
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 14 Feb 2015
Age: 31
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,013
Location: Sweden

06 Oct 2019, 6:40 am

well, fingers crossed, I suppose.


_________________
I'm bored out of my skull, let's play a different game. Let's pay a visit down below and cast the world in flame.


LoveNotHate
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 12 Oct 2013
Gender: Female
Posts: 5,879
Location: USA

06 Oct 2019, 7:56 am

The US just had compulsory insurance universal health care, and a large % of American people hated it.

"Universal healthcare does not imply coverage for all people for everything, only that all people have access to healthcare, Some universal healthcare systems are government funded, while others are based on a requirement that all citizens purchase private health insurance"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal ... _insurance


_________________
After a failure, the easiest thing to do is to blame someone else.


EzraS
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 24 Sep 2013
Gender: Male
Posts: 22,509
Location: USA

06 Oct 2019, 8:14 am

One more fantastic thing that has happened during the Trump administration.



Persephone29
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 14 Jun 2019
Age: 51
Gender: Female
Posts: 840
Location: Everville

06 Oct 2019, 8:49 am

The doctors will just opt out. That's what specialists do now, with Medicaid. Doctors leave hearth and home to come to the US for $$$$$. Remove the $$$$ and they'll leave. Then, you'll have a card and crickets chirping on the other end of the referral process.


_________________
' You only see what you know. ' ~ Goethe


XFilesGeek
Forum Moderator
Forum Moderator

User avatar

Joined: 24 Jul 2010
Age: 36
Gender: Female
Posts: 5,279
Location: The Oort Cloud

06 Oct 2019, 9:42 am

It's about time the U.S. caught-up with the rest of the civilized world.


_________________
"If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced."

-XFG (moderator)


Meistersinger
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 10 May 2012
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,672
Location: Beautiful(?) York Township PA

06 Oct 2019, 12:47 pm

Never going to happen. Not now, not then. Never! Too many greedy motherf!ckers out in the real world!


_________________
I'm back, for the time being. Any one who even attempts to rip me a new rear end because of my opinions will find themselves reported to administration. Anyone on my Foes list that replies to my posts will automatically be reported for harassment. You have been warned.


ASPartOfMe
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 25 Aug 2013
Age: 62
Gender: Male
Posts: 19,532
Location: Long Island, New York

06 Oct 2019, 5:47 pm

Once Trump finds out about this he will pull out of the agreement.


_________________
Identified and joined WP August 26, 2013
DSM 5: Autism Spectrum Disorder, DSM IV: Aspergers Moderate Severity

"The lunatics have taken over the asylum" - The Specials


sly279
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 11 Dec 2013
Age: 31
Gender: Male
Posts: 14,632
Location: US

08 Oct 2019, 2:36 am

I believe like the other founders the USA has veto status, same as Russia, China, uk, and France. But the UN is a failure it exists in posture and paper only. They don’t do anything to stop genocide that they were formed to stop, they don’t stop the human rights violations, even going so far as to appoint the worse nations for human rights violations to the board of human rights. It’s a joke. They have as much power as the Soviet Union did after its fall when it was all but a single building in Russia. Or hitler had from his bunker in Berlin.
Get back to me when they stop the piracy in Somalia, or the genocide in Africa, and punish China for their violations etc, or Russia for its invasions. With all they have to deal with this is a joke.


_________________
TRUMP 2020!!


cyberdad
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Feb 2011
Age: 51
Gender: Male
Posts: 10,108

08 Oct 2019, 3:44 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Once Trump finds out about this he will pull out of the agreement.


^^^ This



Fireblossom
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 18 Jan 2017
Gender: Female
Posts: 1,526

08 Oct 2019, 5:32 am

But how does one define universal health care? Health care for everyone with tax money or health care for everyone with their own money?



Persephone29
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 14 Jun 2019
Age: 51
Gender: Female
Posts: 840
Location: Everville

08 Oct 2019, 6:41 am

Fireblossom wrote:
But how does one define universal health care? Health care for everyone with tax money or health care for everyone with their own money?



Great question...

I think the naive believe that when they are ill, they walk right in and get the best care money can buy, without getting a bill for it.

The examples and comments I've seen from the UK lead me to believe that one gets a card. If a person has a sudden emergency, breaks a leg, has DKA, they get into the ER fairly quickly and are released. If one has a more insidious problem, they get put on a waiting list. Doctors are just people, they can't work round the clock. They see as many patients as they can in a day. And the people wait their turn. They aren't big on covering drugs that have a fairly good response, but are not yet approved. And if one suffers from a mental illness, it's reported to be especially hard due to wait times for placement in facilities or basic eval. If you are of a strong constitution, you will survive the wait. If your are weak, fragile... it's anyone's guess.
Based on that, I don't really see much of a difference. You can either die because you have no healthcare access in the US, or you can die on a waiting list, with are card that says it's free. So, dying is free in both places. Good to know!


_________________
' You only see what you know. ' ~ Goethe


Persephone29
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 14 Jun 2019
Age: 51
Gender: Female
Posts: 840
Location: Everville

08 Oct 2019, 6:47 am

Fireblossom wrote:
But how does one define universal health care? Health care for everyone with tax money or health care for everyone with their own money?



It will be tax money. Some won't be able to contribute.Supposedly work insurance plans will be taken away, everyone will have the same coverage. If you have money stashed, you can pay outright for a procedure and get in quickly. But if all you have is UHC, you have cancer, you fixin' ta die.


_________________
' You only see what you know. ' ~ Goethe


Deepthought 7
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 12 May 2018
Posts: 681
Location: United Kingdom

09 Oct 2019, 9:45 am

Fireblossom wrote:
But how does one define universal health care? Health care for everyone with tax money or health care for everyone with their own money?

Here follows a reasonable explanation of the current systems:

Universal Health Care in Different Countries, Pros and Cons of Each



beneficii
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 10 May 2005
Age: 35
Gender: Female
Posts: 6,838

09 Oct 2019, 12:21 pm

Can we get anybody from the UK to comment?


_________________
I stand with our American citizens living abroad. We need to move to residence-based taxation.