The US just promised to adopt universal health care by 2030

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At the UN:

https://qz.com/1711520/the-us-just-prom ... alth-care/

Now, we need to make sure the US keeps its promise.

well, fingers crossed, I suppose.

The US just had compulsory insurance universal health care, and a large % of American people hated it.

"Universal healthcare does not imply coverage for all people for everything, only that all people have access to healthcare, Some universal healthcare systems are government funded, while others are based on a requirement that all citizens purchase private health insurance"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal ... _insurance

One more fantastic thing that has happened during the Trump administration.

The doctors will just opt out. That's what specialists do now, with Medicaid. Doctors leave hearth and home to come to the US for $$$$$. Remove the $$$$ and they'll leave. Then, you'll have a card and crickets chirping on the other end of the referral process.

It's about time the U.S. caught-up with the rest of the civilized world.

Never going to happen. Not now, not then. Never! Too many greedy motherf!ckers out in the real world!

Once Trump finds out about this he will pull out of the agreement.

I believe like the other founders the USA has veto status, same as Russia, China, uk, and France. But the UN is a failure it exists in posture and paper only. They don’t do anything to stop genocide that they were formed to stop, they don’t stop the human rights violations, even going so far as to appoint the worse nations for human rights violations to the board of human rights. It’s a joke. They have as much power as the Soviet Union did after its fall when it was all but a single building in Russia. Or hitler had from his bunker in Berlin.
Get back to me when they stop the piracy in Somalia, or the genocide in Africa, and punish China for their violations etc, or Russia for its invasions. With all they have to deal with this is a joke.

^^^ This

But how does one define universal health care? Health care for everyone with tax money or health care for everyone with their own money?

Great question...

I think the naive believe that when they are ill, they walk right in and get the best care money can buy, without getting a bill for it.

The examples and comments I've seen from the UK lead me to believe that one gets a card. If a person has a sudden emergency, breaks a leg, has DKA, they get into the ER fairly quickly and are released. If one has a more insidious problem, they get put on a waiting list. Doctors are just people, they can't work round the clock. They see as many patients as they can in a day. And the people wait their turn. They aren't big on covering drugs that have a fairly good response, but are not yet approved. And if one suffers from a mental illness, it's reported to be especially hard due to wait times for placement in facilities or basic eval. If you are of a strong constitution, you will survive the wait. If your are weak, fragile... it's anyone's guess.
Based on that, I don't really see much of a difference. You can either die because you have no healthcare access in the US, or you can die on a waiting list, with are card that says it's free. So, dying is free in both places. Good to know!

It will be tax money. Some won't be able to contribute.Supposedly work insurance plans will be taken away, everyone will have the same coverage. If you have money stashed, you can pay outright for a procedure and get in quickly. But if all you have is UHC, you have cancer, you fixin' ta die.

Here follows a reasonable explanation of the current systems:

Universal Health Care in Different Countries, Pros and Cons of Each

Can we get anybody from the UK to comment?

UK has a 40% income tax rate at a mere 46,351 pounds ($56,548 US) of income.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_ ... rn_Ireland

They're many other taxes too.

Property tax
20% VAT tax
National insurance tax
NHS medical tax