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18 Oct 2019, 9:41 pm

HOW DARE YOU: 10 reasons not to believe climate change criers | Liz Wheeler LIVE at the Reagan Ranch.

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Famous for her hard-hitting video segments, Liz Wheeler has built a career out of fighting the Left's propaganda. Wheeler is the host of OAN's "Tipping Point," where she boldly takes on the claims of progressivism. As a young conservative, Wheeler works hard to spread conservative values among millenials by traveling the country and sharing the truth with students.


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-Binary choice tactic:
You agree,
Or,
You are a bad person.

"Do you believe in climate change?" is a binary question.

-Psudo scientific "facts".
10 reasons to question what is being said:
1. Predicitons never come true.
Doomsday predictions for 40 years.
Ice caps would be melted.
50 million climate refugees from islands will be flooding the west.
Scientists have predicted California would be flooded by inland sea by now.
The Neatherlands would be unihabitable.
Children wouldn't know what snow is.
Q: "If they have gotten everything wrong in the past, why would we believe them now?"
2. No questions allowed.
You have to believe and not ask questions.
3. They tried to destroy sceptics.
"Scientific Method" is based on scepticism.
Ask questions.
Somethin is not a scientific fact of scientific law unless it can't be disproven.
If it can't be disproven, you know a whole lot of people have tried to prove it wrong.
Those people were sceptics.
But in the climate change world you are not allowed to do that.
Which means it is not really based on science.
They say 97% of climate scientists are in consensus.
Couple problems.
"Consensus" doesn't = being right.
97% is based on a group of "Citizen Scientists"
A "Citizen Scientist" is an activist who doesn't want to be seen as political.
These CS activists Googled "human involved climate change".
They didn't read what the viewpoint of the scientist was.
They assumed the scientists agreed.
A group of actual scientists got together and analysed those 11,944 papers.
They found that, not 97% but .3% percent believed that humans were the driving factor of climate change.
They don't want you to ask the questiong because when you do find them, you find fatal flaws.
4. When there is something/k when they get wrong, they cover it up.
N.O.A.A. (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration) is known for fudging numbers.
2016 was NOT the hotest year on record.
N.o.A.A. used conjecture to cover up their falsehood.
"They made it up to match their political agenda."
5. Politicials don't know what they are talking about.
AOC has said we have only 12 years until we are at the point of no return.
AOC then tweeted: "You would have to have the intelligence of a sea sponge to think the claim was literal."
6. The people they make their spokes people.
Hiding behind a child.
Exploitation of Greta.
If we aren't aloud to talk about climate science, how come their primary spokes person on the inteenational stage is not a scientist?
They use the child as a rhetorical human shield.
If you criticise Greta, then you are bulling a child.
Financial benefits of these organisations.
Al Gore .
Using climate change as a medium to get to their political goal.
9. All of the solutions to climate change are all political policies that the left has wanted.
10. Adopting the leftist policies would cause povety, socialism, "doom".
Depending on wind and solar:
What would happen if thew wind doesn't blow and the sun doesn't shine?
How would hospitials function?
Electric cars use minerals from the ground to make., but the left by-passes that.
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A Cult rather than a science.
We see what happens with Socialism.
"A mass starvation event if we implement the Green new deal."
Why stage this elaborate lie?
Democrats want socialism.
Fear mongering to force action.
Only the government can solve the problem.
The policies are said to fight climate change but it ushers in Communism.

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Her speech ends at 26 minutes.
I'm exhausted.
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So don't kill the messanger, you muthers. :evil:

BTW, There are a couple of points I have difficulty with.

P.S.
I missed where points 7 and 8 kicked in.
I am NOT going to watch the video again to correct this, you lazy bastardos. :mrgreen:


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20 Oct 2019, 4:08 pm

and yet,
and yet
the glaciers are melting, and so are the polar ice caps.
california is burning, australia is experiencing droughts and enormous economic damage.
and europe is trying to cope with waves of refugees from drought-stricken civil-war torn areas in northern africa and the middle east.


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20 Oct 2019, 7:36 pm

and yet,
and yet

shlaifu wrote:
the glaciers are melting, and so are the polar ice caps.

Which is expected in an interglacial period, which we are presently in the middle of.
shlaifu wrote:
california is burning,

Which is not exactly new, having happened on multiple occasions in the past...It's just more "important" as the population has increased, more houses built, and more of the limited supply of water used than in the past, causing fires to have a bigger impact (and harder to stop due to less water available) as a result of these changes.
shlaifu wrote:
australia is experiencing droughts and enormous economic damage.

Australia NOT having a drought would be unusual.
shlaifu wrote:
and europe is trying to cope with waves of refugees from drought-stricken civil-war torn areas in northern africa and the middle east.

Where, strangely enough, most pictures show young male "refugees" who are fleeing, leaving the women and children behind. Most would be expecting these "refugees" to either remain to defend the women/children/elderly, or at least to make sure the women/children/elderly were safe first, before they themselves "fled" the warzones.

In fact, a cycnic might suggest that they weren't true refugees, but were heading to Europe for other purposes.



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20 Oct 2019, 9:14 pm

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shlaifu wrote:
the glaciers are melting, and so are the polar ice caps.

Which is expected in an interglacial period, which we are presently in the middle of.


We're at the END of the current interglacial period. The Milankovich cycles that drive these periods are right now exerting a cooling influence on the climate, which unfortunately is being overridden by CO2 driven warming.



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21 Oct 2019, 2:32 am

Apuleius wrote:
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shlaifu wrote:
the glaciers are melting, and so are the polar ice caps.

Which is expected in an interglacial period, which we are presently in the middle of.


We're at the END of the current interglacial period. The Milankovich cycles that drive these periods are right now exerting a cooling influence on the climate, which unfortunately is being overridden by CO2 driven warming.


You made a mistake with the quoting system.
Here is how you should have quoted:
Brictoria wrote:
shlaifu wrote:
the glaciers are melting, and so are the polar ice caps.

Which is expected in an interglacial period, which we are presently in the middle of.

You are new here.
You are forgiven. :wink:


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21 Oct 2019, 2:47 am

I found this particularly interesting:

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They say 97% of climate scientists are in consensus.
Couple problems.
"Consensus" doesn't = being right.
97% is based on a group of "Citizen Scientists"
A "Citizen Scientist" is an activist who doesn't want to be seen as political.
These CS activists Googled "human involved climate change".
They didn't read what the viewpoint of the scientist was.
They assumed the scientists agreed.
A group of actual scientists got together and analysed those 11,944 papers.
They found that, not 97% but .3% percent believed that humans were the driving factor of climate change.


I knew there were some non-climate change scientists involved in the infamous 97% figure, but when the papers were "distilled" by actual scientists, the figure was found to be only 0.3%.
As John Oliver would say: "WOW!"
If true, WOW!! !

So what do we have here?
A: "He said, she said" situation?
Oh my. 8O


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21 Oct 2019, 7:24 am

Apuleius wrote:
which unfortunately is being overridden by CO2 driven warming.


When you really study climate history, one trend that pops out rather quickly is that humans do much better during the warmer periods. It's the cold that brings famine and disease, while warmer periods tend to be high points of civilisation. If fear is necessary, we should be much more fearful of global cooling than of global warming.


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21 Oct 2019, 7:50 am

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21 Oct 2019, 7:54 pm

Mikah wrote:
Apuleius wrote:
which unfortunately is being overridden by CO2 driven warming.


When you really study climate history, one trend that pops out rather quickly is that humans do much better during the warmer periods. It's the cold that brings famine and disease, while warmer periods tend to be high points of civilisation. If fear is necessary, we should be much more fearful of global cooling than of global warming.


Yep.
I've heard that said many times.


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21 Oct 2019, 8:11 pm

Brictoria wrote:
and yet,
and yet
shlaifu wrote:
the glaciers are melting, and so are the polar ice caps.

Which is expected in an interglacial period, which we are presently in the middle of.
shlaifu wrote:
california is burning,

Which is not exactly new, having happened on multiple occasions in the past...It's just more "important" as the population has increased, more houses built, and more of the limited supply of water used than in the past, causing fires to have a bigger impact (and harder to stop due to less water available) as a result of these changes.
shlaifu wrote:
australia is experiencing droughts and enormous economic damage.

Australia NOT having a drought would be unusual.

Needless, pointless actual facts are not wanted here.
Don't rock the boat. <facetiousness + irony> :wink:

Apparently, some of the fierce fire-storms are the result of "Green Environmental Policies".
By not allowing burn-offs, when a fire does strike, there is so much underbrush that it can cause a fire tornado.

In nature beyond man's interference, fires happen regularly, hence the lack of bushfire ferocity.
In Australia, the aborigines used to start bushfires.
The vegetation adapts.

It is so ironic and sad how well meaning people cause such devastation, but refuse to acknowledge their mistakes.

Humans.
Can't drag them out of denial.
Can't sterilise them. :mrgreen:


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21 Oct 2019, 8:32 pm

shlaifu wrote:
and yet,
and yet
the glaciers are melting, and so are the polar ice caps.

Yes but one of the scientists said the glaciers would melt faster than they're actually melting. That means we don't have to worry about it at all! /sarcasm


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21 Oct 2019, 8:33 pm

Mikah wrote:
When you really study climate history, one trend that pops out rather quickly is that humans do much better during the warmer periods.

In your country.


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22 Oct 2019, 2:00 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:
shlaifu wrote:
and yet,
and yet
the glaciers are melting, and so are the polar ice caps.

Yes but one of the scientists said the glaciers would melt faster than they're actually melting. That means we don't have to worry about it at all! /sarcasm


There has *always* been climate change.
You do realise that? 8O

I heard recently that there was an ice age where the CO2 levels were higher than they are now.
"Curiouser and curiouser." 8O


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22 Oct 2019, 2:14 am

There is a consensus that the amount of fossil fuels burned by the humanity since the start of Industrial Revolution influences the Earth climate globally.

I have never come across a serious scientist who would claim that Antarctic ice cap would melt in our lifetime - which would be required to render Netherlands uninhabitable.

Wars, regimes and political instability are still the main reason for existence of refugees and it doesn't seem to be changing.


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23 Oct 2019, 2:29 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:
Mikah wrote:
When you really study climate history, one trend that pops out rather quickly is that humans do much better during the warmer periods.

In your country.


I believe he meant "collectively". :wink:


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