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22 Oct 2019, 11:33 pm

does this happen to anyone else?
Now understanding , that everything that has happened or happening to you sensory wise is recorded in some part off the brain. Now , if something that triggers a memory , even distant ones can trigger other even more distant ones . Almost like a crossreference. . Kinda like if this happens to you , Without your limiting yourself , and the ability to be confident in what you know are things that are in the crossreference, In real life you could be a encyclopedia of all or a very large part of all your sensory inputs ,over the entirety of your life.
Please consider this : let me know your thoughts on this please, if you would.?


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24 Oct 2019, 1:10 pm

More Interesting , it would appear this is not familiar to other aspies, Generally the events refered to have triggered a significant ..emotional response . Images and some convo around the same events.

A have read , mind is also set to block out many traumas . In order to move forward . But if that mechanism has been interrpted or disabled , am wondering if this is the case ?Myself orWith others?
This does not preclude the ability to live in the present.


. ? How that might effect other memory recall .?


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24 Oct 2019, 2:26 pm

Sometimes when people get old, they can remember events from 50 years earlier as if they just happened. But often they cannot remember events that occurred minutes earlier.

Andrews-Hanna and other Harvard researchers (along with collaborators at the University of Michigan at Ann Arbor and Washington University in St. Louis) concluded that white matter naturally degrades as we age—causing disrupted communication between brain regions and memory deficits—after conducting a battery of cognitive tests and brain scans on 93 healthy volunteers, ages 18 to 93. Participants fell into two age groups: one 18 to 34 and the other 60 to 93 years of age.

Scientists asked study subjects to perform several cognitive and memory exercises, such as determining whether certain words referred to living or nonliving objects. As they answered, researchers monitored activity in the fronts and backs of their brains with functional imaging magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) to determine whether those areas were operating in sync. The results, published in Neuron: communication between brain regions appeared to have "dramatically declined" in the older group.

They fingered the potential reason for the dip by doing further brain scans using diffusion tensor imaging, an MRI technique that gauges how well white matter is functioning by monitoring water movement along the axonal bundles. If communication is strong, water flows as if cascading down a celery stalk, says Randy Buckner, a cognitive neuroscientist at Harvard; if it is disrupted, the pattern looks more like a drop of dye in a water bucket that has scattered in all directions. The latter was more evident in the older group, an indication that their white matter had lost some of its integrity.

The older crowd's performance on memory and cognitive skill tests correlated with white matter loss: The seniors did poorly relative to their younger peers. The researchers note that the white matter appears to fray more over time in the forebrain than in the brain's rear. They speculate that age-related depletion of neurotransmitters (the chemical signals sent between neurons) as well as the shrinking of gray matter (the tissue made up of the actual nerve cell bodies and supporting cells) also contribute to dimming memory and cognitive skills.


Source: Partial Recall: Why Memory Fades with Age

I suspect the difference is due to short term vs. long term memory storage. Long term memory is a more permanent durable storage. But short term memory suffers more dramatically with age. It may be related to the effect that age has on sleep cycles. Generally older individuals have more difficulty achieving Deep sleep state and REM sleep. Without adequate REM, their short term memory experienced during the day is not transferred and stored into long term memory as they sleep.


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24 Oct 2019, 3:08 pm

Yes

State dependent memory

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24 Oct 2019, 8:24 pm

Is this what you mean? I wrote the following to a friend in the past week trying to describe how my mind works:

"The past and the present are woven together in my mind. The past, memories I've had for years, decades, even childhood memories pop in regularly as if the experience occurred yesterday or even earlier today. My past and present are intertwined. That's part of the reason for the randomness of my brain. I can do something now and it will trigger a memory from twenty years ago which in turn will then trigger a seemingly random memory from five years ago (but they're not random, they fit together). The present is ALWAYS compared against the database of my brain like a search to see if the current experience, word or phrase I hear or that someone says, sounds, smells, etc matches or is similar to a memory.

It's almost like current experience doesn't register as valid or real unless it's instantly referenced to or at least checked against past memories. Even though I don't have a photographic memory and there are memories that I've blocked out, it's as though my life is a movie that started with my first thoughts and has been continuing unedited so the present has to square somehow or be tied somehow to the past. That's it: my memories provide continuity to the present. I can't turn them off. It's like my brain simply must find some sort of similarity of present experiences to past experiences. Random for a reason."



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24 Oct 2019, 10:19 pm

Magna wrote:
Is this what you mean? I wrote the following to a friend in the past week trying to describe how my mind works:

"The past and the present are woven together in my mind. The past, memories I've had for years, decades, even childhood memories pop in regularly as if the experience occurred yesterday or even earlier today. My past and present are intertwined. That's part of the reason for the randomness of my brain. I can do something now and it will trigger a memory from twenty years ago which in turn with then trigger a seemingly random memory from five years ago (but they're not random, they fit together). The present is ALWAYS compared against the database of my brain like a search to see if the current experience, word or phrase I hear or that someone says, sounds, smells, etc matches or is similar to a memory.

It's almost like current experience doesn't register as valid or real unless it's instantly referenced to or at least checked against past memories. Even though I don't have a photographic memory and there are memories that I've blocked out, it's as though my life is a movie that started with my first thoughts and has been continuing unedited so the present has to square somehow or be tied somehow to the past. That's it: my memories provide continuity to the present. I can't turn them off. It's like my brain simply must find some sort of similarity of present experiences to past experiences. Random for a reason."

You have described an eidetic memory process i believe.Or possibly superior version of that. Being serious here in hopefully please take this well .
Have read that that ability with minor tuning , can be turned into a natural borne
Card Counter . As in gambling ..lol .Prolly very hard to do with all distractions intentionally set up in casinos .. prolly impossible for a aspie?btw am not a card counter , beware LasVegas , the owners of casinos share pictures of suspected card counters, have learned.

Right on almost exactly,! but do have problems wth normal blocking stuff in the brain .But can change thought streams , and change direction ,
But only if i myself do it. Usually not intentionally but related .But if outside influence gets identified by thought process as intentionally distracting .
The stream gets a hardened effect and ignores everything else going on.
To the point of irritating or even angering myself. Even others at times.

Oddly enough mine do not seem appear random maybe random access ? . Just assembling themselves
With familiar concepts ,in a concise matter ,aswell as experiences . As if upon request of other previous thoughts. With practical experiences / abilities as well .. am not photographic. PerSe.
But easily considered as eidetic . I think .
This definitly not a chapter and verse thing . But images are mostly very precise . And get correlated to concepts as potentially applicable . Particular memories , that are very vivid . Always seem to have experienced info . That is being queried . That is directly pertinent to current , ( in the present) thought stream.
Have been given tranquilizers to help calm the process in the past.


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24 Oct 2019, 10:40 pm

I don't have an eidetic memory. Rather than my recalled memories being crystal clear, they're vignettes. I think in pictures, so when I recall these memories I'm watching the memory but there's a focal point that's clear and the rest of the memory, the scene is blurred into the overall feeling of the memory.



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24 Oct 2019, 11:17 pm

jimmy m wrote:
Sometimes when people get old, they can remember events from 50 years earlier as if they just happened. But often they cannot remember events that occurred minutes earlier.

Andrews-Hanna and other Harvard researchers (along with collaborators at the University of Michigan at Ann Arbor and Washington University in St. Louis) concluded that white matter naturally degrades as we age—causing disrupted communication between brain regions and memory deficits—after conducting a battery of cognitive tests and brain scans on 93 healthy volunteers, ages 18 to 93. Participants fell into two age groups: one 18 to 34 and the other 60 to 93 years of age.

Scientists asked study subjects to perform several cognitive and memory exercises, such as determining whether certain words referred to living or nonliving objects. As they answered, researchers monitored activity in the fronts and backs of their brains with functional imaging magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) to determine whether those areas were operating in sync. The results, published in Neuron: communication between brain regions appeared to have "dramatically declined" in the older group.

They fingered the potential reason for the dip by doing further brain scans using diffusion tensor imaging, an MRI technique that gauges how well white matter is functioning by monitoring water movement along the axonal bundles. If communication is strong, water flows as if cascading down a celery stalk, says Randy Buckner, a cognitive neuroscientist at Harvard; if it is disrupted, the pattern looks more like a drop of dye in a water bucket that has scattered in all directions. The latter was more evident in the older group, an indication that their white matter had lost some of its integrity.

The older crowd's performance on memory and cognitive skill tests correlated with white matter loss: The seniors did poorly relative to their younger peers. The researchers note that the white matter appears to fray more over time in the forebrain than in the brain's rear. They speculate that age-related depletion of neurotransmitters (the chemical signals sent between neurons) as well as the shrinking of gray matter (the tissue made up of the actual nerve cell bodies and supporting cells) also contribute to dimming memory and cognitive skills.


Source: Partial Recall: Why Memory Fades with Age

I suspect the difference is due to short term vs. long term memory storage. Long term memory is a more permanent durable storage. But short term memory suffers more dramatically with age. It may be related to the effect that age has on sleep cycles. Generally older individuals have more difficulty achieving Deep sleep state and REM sleep. Without adequate REM, their short term memory experienced during the day is not transferred and stored into long term memory as they sleep.


Am thinking some deep meditation practice on occassion . Has helped for some folk .
Had read book life extension, by dr dirk Peirson and Dr Sandy Shaw.
Many experiments and related tests on brain improvement stuff . Very early work before the word Nootropic can into the language . It appears that observing the brain as the master gland, they sought how to improve its more useful aspects . Blood flow. , memory retention , specifically short and long term . Things to improve clarity of processing . For instance : Pharmacueticals
As well as amino acids and supplements . Used in various dosages.
Noted here ; drug for overactive bladder . Called Vasopressin aided short term
Memory greatly , when used of label. Early studies on Acetylcholine . Dopamine , uses of specific vitamins and amino acids to fight depression.
Included their reccomended dosages of this things . Basically what ,things did what , of the things they wrote of. Btw vasopressin was removed for available formulary in this country long ago . Stopped searching for it 20 yrs ago.
Added previously learned info on healthy digestive tract , think acidophilus. And info on chemical precusors,think prebiotics etc..Things needed to be present in order to get best absorbtion of various supplements , and whatnot. And possible things that may inhibit absorbtion /assimilation . Carried my studies forward as a hobby and practical application. Was my own Guinee pig . If had not noted that my memory was appearing to be lacking in grade school and stamina .Prolly would have never even looked at that book . Purchase was based on a cursory veiwing of contents of that book. That was 16 now at almost otherside of life. Am still practising those same learnings . But Now , someone gave it a name "Nootropics" ALL VERY expensive sounding things . But notice no one is researching how to create similiar effects just using correct food and
Easily available supplements . For cause and effect on aging and brain aging..
Oddly enough all actually started, with chinese philosophy book .
And hearing someone mention Ginseng ( Panax , Red Ginseng Root) .
Also small reference to it in the philosophy book. Latest research is directed towards microbiomes . Accidental meeting with a botany professor .2 yrs prior to his passing . RIP . From colon cancer . Survived years with stage 4 ,
Admittedly he was abit younger than me , but he defo knew his stuff.

Actual u.s. medical science seems to preclude that . AMA and Infectious disease doctors need sick patients . How are any doctors going to afford their student Loans , much less their life styles. If you prolong healthier life .
You obviously would be prone to smaller patient population.
LAST Doctor , i found in So California , was sued out of practice by other doctors 3 x , whom was actually trying to cure ,or at least long term .
Real quality of health improvement.


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24 Oct 2019, 11:56 pm

Jakki wrote:
Magna wrote:
Is this what you mean? I wrote the following to a friend in the past week trying to describe how my mind works:

"The past and the present are woven together in my mind. The past, memories I've had for years, decades, even childhood memories pop in regularly as if the experience occurred yesterday or even earlier today. My past and present are intertwined. That's part of the reason for the randomness of my brain. I can do something now and it will trigger a memory from twenty years ago which in turn with then trigger a seemingly random memory from five years ago (but they're not random, they fit together). The present is ALWAYS compared against the database of my brain like a search to see if the current experience, word or phrase I hear or that someone says, sounds, smells, etc matches or is similar to a memory.

It's almost like current experience doesn't register as valid or real unless it's instantly referenced to or at least checked against past memories. Even though I don't have a photographic memory and there are memories that I've blocked out, it's as though my life is a movie that started with my first thoughts and has been continuing unedited so the present has to square somehow or be tied somehow to the past. That's it: my memories provide continuity to the present. I can't turn them off. It's like my brain simply must find some sort of similarity of present experiences to past experiences. Random for a reason."

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☆Upon reading your next post , apologies for my assumption .
Can agree with your not having a eidetic memory☆

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Being serious here in hopefully please take this well .
Have read that that ability with minor tuning , can be turned into a natural borne
Card Counter . As in gambling ..lol .Prolly very hard to do with all distractions intentionally set up in casinos .. prolly impossible for a aspie?btw am not a card counter , beware LasVegas , the owners of casinos share pictures of suspected card counters, have learned.

Right on almost exactly,! but do have problems wth normal blocking stuff in the brain .But can change thought streams , and change direction ,
But only if i myself do it. Usually not intentionally but related .But if outside influence gets identified by thought process as intentionally distracting .
The stream gets a hardened effect and ignores everything else going on.
To the point of irritating or even angering myself. Even others at times.

Oddly enough mine do not seem appear random maybe random access ? . Just assembling themselves
With familiar concepts ,in a concise matter ,aswell as experiences . As if upon request of other previous thoughts. With practical experiences / abilities as well .. am not photographic. PerSe.
But easily considered as eidetic . I think .
This definitly not a chapter and verse thing . But images are mostly very precise . And get correlated to concepts as potentially applicable . Particular memories , that are very vivid . Always seem to have experienced info . That is being queried . That is directly pertinent to current , ( in the present) thought stream.
Have been given tranquilizers to help calm the process in the past.


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25 Oct 2019, 12:00 am

Magna wrote:
I don't have an eidetic memory. Rather than my recalled memories being crystal clear, they're vignettes. I think in pictures, so when I recall these memories I'm watching the memory but there's a focal point that's clear and the rest of the memory, the scene is blurred into the overall feeling of the memory.


Apologies .. can fully agree with you based on descriptions in this posting
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25 Oct 2019, 8:18 am

Jakki wrote:
does this happen to anyone else?
Now understanding , that everything that has happened or happening to you sensory wise is recorded in some part off the brain. Now , if something that triggers a memory , even distant ones can trigger other even more distant ones . Almost like a crossreference. . Kinda like if this happens to you , Without your limiting yourself , and the ability to be confident in what you know are things that are in the crossreference, In real life you could be a encyclopedia of all or a very large part of all your sensory inputs ,over the entirety of your life.
Please consider this : let me know your thoughts on this please, if you would.?


That's commonplace.

Something will trigger a rush of memories.

The smell of diesel will sometimes cause me a rush of pleasant childhood memories of riding the old fashioned luxury passenger trains to visit our relatives out west. These were the old Pullman trains (luxury hotels on wheels). Not the modern Amtrack trains (Soviet style gulags on wheels).

The same with bad memories. Something might trigger something in your past to come out of the woodwork of your mind that's unfinished business..something that might have pushed aside in your mind for decades.



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Jakki wrote:
does this happen to anyone else?
Now understanding , that everything that has happened or happening to you sensory wise is recorded in some part off the brain. Now , if something that triggers a memory , even distant ones can trigger other even more distant ones . Almost like a crossreference. . Kinda like if this happens to you , Without your limiting yourself , and the ability to be confident in what you know are things that are in the crossreference, In real life you could be a encyclopedia of all or a very large part of all your sensory inputs ,over the entirety of your life.
Please consider this : let me know your thoughts on this please, if you would.?


That's commonplace.

Something will trigger a rush of memories.

The smell of diesel will sometimes cause me a rush of pleasant childhood memories of riding the old fashioned luxury passenger trains to visit our relatives out west. These were the old Pullman trains (luxury hotels on wheels). Not the modern Amtrack trains (Soviet style gulags on wheels).

The same with bad memories. Something might trigger something in your past to come out of the woodwork of your mind that's unfinished business..something that might have pushed aside in your mind for decades.

Am kinda feeling we are not on the same,page at all.? As my earlier posting was very specific recalls . That carry on for many levels . In detail . NO RANDOMNESS , in these memory thoughts for me . And the ideas and concepts , as they specifically apply are immediarely acted upon as if in on Que. Or even can even proceed as if part of original, developing ideas .
Only with retrospection can filter time and place, even convos that were occurring at that time memory was framed. No vagueries or happenstance.

Perhaps you are much more correct on this, perhaps merely just the basis for which memories are formed . And am merely describing the mechanical process of it.
But to the degree , you are describing in the precise wording you are using.
Most likely very common even in NTs , your more discerning observation , on these 2 slightly SOMEWHAT? similiar? . Processes is appreciated . TY


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