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29 Oct 2019, 9:02 pm

I support Bernie Sanders and if he runs, he's got my vote...
But I actually honestly don't think that Bernie Sanders will ever get elected.

First of all, Generations Y and Z have not really been around, and I think that greatly underestimate the power of American bigotry and hate.
The power of American CEOs and lobbyists and attorneys, and media and right wing propagadists, And the all mighty dollar.
Pure and simple.

The plain fact of the matter is, is that Bernie Sanders is Jewish and the fact of the matter is, there is no Jewish plot, no Jewish superwealth, no Jewish conspiracy or networks...

The fact is, the plots, conspiracies, wealth and networks...
Are rich, white European Christians.
That's the bottom line.

And Bernie the Jew and his non white, minority supporters isn't going to win.

For this reason...
The second power that is underestimated...
Is the power of American greed.

Observe the simple street culture...
Nobody gives a damn cigarette or a can of coke or a cup of sugar...
Every cigarette smoked, cup of sugar used, can of coke drank...
Is somehow magically the last one..

What makes you think that the level of greed is any better when a black guy needs healthcare ?

Which brings me to the next point...
The power of race in America.

That's the real driver of capitalism in America...

The idea that if I can't serve only white people...
Then I will serve nobody at all.

That's how this capitalism stuff got started in the first place the bottom line is...

The way to socialism in America...
Is to take down the hate flags first.
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04 Nov 2019, 12:00 pm

Bernie Sanders is not a socialist.

He is a social democrat, a capitalist, and a populist.

I'm not attacking you, I have friends and family that think like you do, but no politician is really anti-establishment...not even good ol' Bernie.


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04 Nov 2019, 12:07 pm

Bernie Sanders has never done anything for my personal benefit.  He even refuses to visit neighborhoods like mine (e.g., culturally diverse and financially well-off) in favor of pandering to either the very poor or to the very wealthy.

He gets no vote from me.


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04 Nov 2019, 1:03 pm

It seems strange that Democrats always talk about health care.

Why not homes or cars, or food?


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04 Nov 2019, 1:27 pm

Well, the biggest cause of ordinary people going bankrupt is super high health care. They lose their homes, their cares. Elderly people have to decide whether to buy food or medicine. Seems to be an overarching concern.


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04 Nov 2019, 1:31 pm

Whale_Tuune wrote:
Bernie Sanders is not a socialist.

He is a social democrat, a capitalist, and a populist.

I'm not attacking you, I have friends and family that think like you do, but no politician is really anti-establishment...not even good ol' Bernie.


Democratic Socialist, not Social Democrat.


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04 Nov 2019, 4:17 pm

Wolfram87 wrote:
Whale_Tuune wrote:
Bernie Sanders is not a socialist.

He is a social democrat, a capitalist, and a populist.

I'm not attacking you, I have friends and family that think like you do, but no politician is really anti-establishment...not even good ol' Bernie.


Democratic Socialist, not Social Democrat.


Bernie supports strong government welfare policies in a system of privately owned corporations competing in a free market. That is social democracy/capitalism. He is part of an organization called something like "Democratic Socialists of America" (I'm paraphrasing) but he himself is a social democrat.

I'm a market socialist who supports employee-owned corporations. Social democrats are just capitalists.


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04 Nov 2019, 4:45 pm

Wikipedia calls him a "self-described Democratic Socialist", he referred to...Denmark, I think it was as "a great Socialist success" and various other things that suggests a muddling of terms. Seems like someone in his position would be more careful to make what I'd consider fairly important distinctions.


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05 Nov 2019, 2:41 am

Isn’t Sanders’ support disproportionately white compared to, say, Biden?



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05 Nov 2019, 10:46 pm

The_Walrus wrote:
Isn’t Sanders’ support disproportionately white compared to, say, Biden?


Nope, he actually has one of the most diverse support bases of all the democratic candidates. It's Warren whose support is mostly white.


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