What do you think of Ben Shapiro?

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@LoveNotHate: Thanks for the explanation. I have always read things from an objective perspective, and the idea of some belief being "outdated" made sense when we talked science but not on matters of public & private morality. Things were either right or wrong--this whole thing showed up in Western culture with the early Greek philosophers, who in some cases are objectively right (and I think they're subjectively fascinating.) I looked into his work. While I only really agree with you on Social & Racial Advocacy, thanks for the list. At least it gives an idea why Shapiro isn't exactly popular on this site (and a lot of other places.)

@ Bradleigh: THANK YOU so much for your explanations. I'm glad to hear someone who's taken time to call out the stuff Mr. Shapiro has decided to say. In a way he sounds like Mr. Limbaugh. Well, next time the Young Republicans show up I know I have the freedom to disagree with their doglike devotion to him, and I'm afraid I am gradually ending up a liberal of sorts. Not sure what sort.

A lot of people do a better job at it, and really good grasp can take a while for an informed opinion could take a while. Here is a video by Some More News, who does some pretty good stuff. He used to be part of Cracked back when they were really informed on a lot of issues. The video is a bit over an hour long to go over it.



Don't want to sound to alarmist, it is people like Shapiro, Rubin and Sargon act as a pipeline to the Alt-Right. Not going to say that those "Young Republicans" you are talking about are Alt-Right, but if they are holding Ben Shapiro seriously, it is a real risk. Having some sort of argument with these types of people can have you at a disadvantage of what debate methods and goals can be.

I find it hard to believe that Ben Shapiro isn't a fan of socialism, he never avoids an opportunity to be publicly owned.

I had to look up who Ben Shapiro is.

I think he's a schnorrer -- one who annoys people for his own amusement.

Otherwise, bupkis!

Did you make that up?

I wish I was that witty.

came here to say this, if he sounds like this as a fully grown man - i wince to imagine what he must have sounded like as a child.

Please remember that WrongPlanet rules forbid users from making personal attacks on each other.

Here is the second ever post I made on this site that mentions Dave Rubin. It quotes the first one. In it, I clearly explain why I think Rubin is regressive and anti-liberal rather than "anti-regressive-left". His regular agreement with Nazis is part of that, but it isn't just that he interviews them, it's that he supports them, gives them credibility, and when he offers his own views, they tend to be from the same vein.

I don't know where to begin with the claim that I don't know what "the Syrian conflict" was about, although I think there's a serious extent to which calling it "the Syrian conflict" is a simplification. There are at least three different conflicts bundled up in there (the uprising against Assad, the fight against ISIS, and Kurdish attempts to support/establish some proper territorial integrity). Don't think I've ever claimed to be an expert, but I'm a reasonably well-informed observer who is at least able to acknowledge that there is a lot of complexity he doesn't fully understand. Certainly one of the reoccurring themes of discussions about Syria on this forum has been other users simplifying it as "Assad good, everyone else BAD!", which is preposterous.

Shapiro is probably best known for that car-crash interview with Andrew Neil, a conservative journalist. Neil asked him whether a thirty-year prison sentence for women who have a miscarriage was "brutal", and Shapiro said that Neil was a leftist. Shapiro does not recognise the existence of trans people, thinking instead that they're delusional, which goes against all science. He is opposed to gay marriage, or to schools teaching that gay people exist. These are beliefs that don't belong in [current year], and Shapiro dedicating his career to railing against them on the grounds of what an ancient book says shows him to be a man out of time, disconnected even from mainstream conservatism.

I know a lot about the Syrian conflict and can confirm that you do not.

There's a fight against ISIS and the rest of the alphabet soup of Jihadists that we have supported, by Russia and the Syrian army. AND AGAIN you pull out your strawman. I never said Assad or Russia was good and have used sources like Peter Hitchens and Robert Fisk who hate Assad. First you need to learn some real history and see how the US has sponsored terrorism in other countries like it has done in Syria and now Yemen. All over the world. Your young so maybe it's not too late.

Anybody remember this?

Liberals Worse than even Shapiro. They sided with the trans person even though 'she' threatened to send him away in an ambulance. Not very womanly of 'her'.

Bradleigh,

That's a really great video. We see it even here on WP, lots of people on the right love to say that by trying to establish a welfare state and fight climate change, the left is simply embarking on a plot to establish a fascist, totalitarian state in which they would control everything. It can't be that the left is simply trying to take some ideas from how other Western democracies run things; no, it has to be a complete and total attempt at a takeover, and there is no other explanation.

It's quite frustrating.

Plus, people like Dave Rubin when they do interview leftists, are constantly interrupting and challenging them. It's interesting how they speak of the need for right-wing opinions--to include alt-right opinions--to be heard, but react with annoyance and indignation when a left-wing person attempts to expound on theirs. I posted on here on how he distorted the situation with Katie Hopkins and why the left objected to her, as shown in this video starting at 19:00:



Of course, when I posted this here on PPR in its own thread, right-wingers came on and were like, Who's Dave Rubin? I've never heard of the liberal, left-wing Dave Rubin, but he's probably just bad because he's a left-winger. You're just too obsessed with YouTube videos, you need to take a break. But Dave Rubin gets talked about a fair bit on this forum, so I'm pretty sure those right-wingers were lying.

It seems to me that the right-wing is trying to play a constant mind-screw game, where they keep wanting to make people on the left question their own perception of reality in order to wear them down and isolate them.

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You are using quotations as if you don't believe that woman is a she or her?

Here is the thing, Shapiro is purposefully inciting her in that video. He is working child level education of gender, where what she has to lose in the discussion is having her identity negated. How would you feel if you went into a discussion and another person started saying core parts of your identity were fake, and used primary/elementary school level education as a basis, purposefully using inciteful language to attack.

I'm a transgender woman myself, and I am horrified at the way some people on this forum like to make sport of transgender people and just go along with Ben Shapiro. It makes me feel uncomfortable and makes it feel unsafe to bring up that I'm trans.

I am still trying to get the guts to say that I am non-binary, and be able to express what that means.
Only just started to realize it recently, and have gone from being an ally to starting to see how scary/upsetting a lot of rightwing talkers are.