Hank Azaria steps down as voice of Apu

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18 Jan 2020, 4:28 am

https://www.indiewire.com/2020/01/the-simpsons-apu-hank-azaria-controversy-1202204188/?fbclid=IwAR1pf6oAQwxhm6pCJKPdmJx4lhN7IYr8zIXgSwJRJW27VXNLzRhSN2k4bv4

I am worried that this whole controversy will be the show's downfall.


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18 Jan 2020, 9:28 am

I think they can probably work around it.



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18 Jan 2020, 1:21 pm

I like the character Apu, but I don't think he's a vital character.


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18 Jan 2020, 4:16 pm

Bravo5150 wrote:
I think they can probably work around it.


My concern is no matter what ultimately happens with Apu, the other side will mass boycott the show, ratings will plummet and the show will end.


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18 Jan 2020, 4:18 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
Bravo5150 wrote:
I think they can probably work around it.


My concern is no matter what ultimately happens with Apu, the other side will mass boycott the show, ratings will plummet and the show will end.


All TV shows end eventually.


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18 Jan 2020, 5:09 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
Bravo5150 wrote:
I think they can probably work around it.


My concern is no matter what ultimately happens with Apu, the other side will mass boycott the show, ratings will plummet and the show will end.


All TV shows end eventually.


What other shows are there, aside from porn, that the religious right despises more than shows like the Simpsons, South Park, et al?


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18 Jan 2020, 5:47 pm

It means he's letting those few numbers of people easily offended, win. :? The whole point was that he was a stereotype and that was the joke. I hope this kind of thing doesn't happen too often with other things in media.



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18 Jan 2020, 5:54 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
Bravo5150 wrote:
I think they can probably work around it.


My concern is no matter what ultimately happens with Apu, the other side will mass boycott the show, ratings will plummet and the show will end.


All TV shows end eventually.


What other shows are there, aside from porn, that the religious right despises more than shows like the Simpsons, South Park, et al?


The biggest impact of The Simpsons, besides lasting for an absurdly long time is that it's created an entire genre of shows. When The Simpsons is finally wrapped-up, there will most certainly be another new satirical cartoon to replace it, probably several.

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It means he's letting those few numbers of people easily offended, win. :? The whole point was that he was a stereotype and that was the joke. I hope this kind of thing doesn't happen too often with other things in media.


Or it means he's agreeing with people who say it's not funny anymore. He's entitled to no longer feel comfortable doing a certain character. You might be more empathetic with the people who've complained if it was the only point of reference many people you encountered have of your people; clearly Hank Azaria was persuaded to a more empathetic position, but that's a decision he's allowed to make for himself.


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18 Jan 2020, 8:09 pm

smudge wrote:
It means he's letting those few numbers of people easily offended, win. :? The whole point was that he was a stereotype and that was the joke. I hope this kind of thing doesn't happen too often with other things in media.


A number of prominent people in the US South Asian community protested the character as misrepresenting Indians in the media. Indian children in the US have been bullied in school and called "Apu" as it was a convenient meme to denigrate/ridicule (also common in Australian schools).

The "Timmy" character in South Park is another creation that ridicules the disabled and could have been removed.



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18 Jan 2020, 9:11 pm

cyberdad wrote:
smudge wrote:
It means he's letting those few numbers of people easily offended, win. :? The whole point was that he was a stereotype and that was the joke. I hope this kind of thing doesn't happen too often with other things in media.


A number of prominent people in the US South Asian community protested the character as misrepresenting Indians in the media. Indian children in the US have been bullied in school and called "Apu" as it was a convenient meme to denigrate/ridicule (also common in Australian schools).

The "Timmy" character in South Park is another creation that ridicules the disabled and could have been removed.


Even then, removing Apu from a The Simpsons is not the solution to it.



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18 Jan 2020, 9:47 pm

If Apu is recast, retooled, or removed, people will stop watching in protest because there's been a major change to the show. If he remains with Hank Azaria doing his voice, those who think the character is offensive will stop watching in protest of that. Either scenario would result in plummeting ratings and the show's cancellation. This doesn't even factor in the fallout for removing the Michael Jackson episode from circulation or those concerned with declining quality in wake of the Disney acquisition.


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18 Jan 2020, 11:19 pm

In the end market research will determine whether they keep Apu who is essentially a peripheral character (although the Kwiki mart is an central point where different characters meet like Moe's tavern).



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19 Jan 2020, 4:36 am

funeralxempire wrote:
smudge wrote:
It means he's letting those few numbers of people easily offended, win. :? The whole point was that he was a stereotype and that was the joke. I hope this kind of thing doesn't happen too often with other things in media.


Or it means he's agreeing with people who say it's not funny anymore. He's entitled to no longer feel comfortable doing a certain character. You might be more empathetic with the people who've complained if it was the only point of reference many people you encountered have of your people; clearly Hank Azaria was persuaded to a more empathetic position, but that's a decision he's allowed to make for himself.


I never implied he wasn't allowed to make his own decision. The Simpsons hasn't been funny since series 10, though that's my opinion.



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19 Jan 2020, 4:59 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
Bravo5150 wrote:
I think they can probably work around it.


My concern is no matter what ultimately happens with Apu, the other side will mass boycott the show, ratings will plummet and the show will end.


Which is about time it got canned. For the life of me, how that program (If you can call it that) got on the air is beyond me. Ditto with Futurama, Family Guy, American Dad, South Park, etc.


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19 Jan 2020, 12:52 pm

I hate how the show has been leaving the audience hanging like this for the past year. I wish they'd just announce they'll retire the character already. We know it's gonna come to this anyway. In fact, the whole show should just retire. Ever since pandering to the really really far left and pulling the Michael Jackson episode, I refuse to touch any season after the movie.


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