Antifa Terrorists to Infiltrate VA Civil Rights March?

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21 Jan 2020, 8:39 pm

I'm having a hard time understanding why some WP members from countries other than the U.S. seem to be upset or triggered by the civil rights assembly in Virginia that was comprised of people who support the legal right to bear arms, the law of the land, in the country they live in.


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22 Jan 2020, 8:06 am

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I'm having a hard time understanding why some WP members from countries other than the U.S. seem to be upset or triggered by the civil rights assembly in Virginia that was comprised of people who support the legal right to bear arms, the law of the land, in the country they live in.

Two WrongPlanet users have criticised the march in this thread:

- in the opening post, Darmok said it had been infiltrated by antifascists who would do violent things. Darmok is from New England.

- in the second reply, Sweetleaf called it a neo-Nazi gathering. Sweetleaf is from Colorado.

Once the march happened peacefully, Darmok decided that the attendees, who he told us were definitely antifascist terrorists no matter what anyone told us, weren’t antifascists at all. Although he’s apparently antifa now.

On a mod note - please don’t use the word “triggered” to mean “upset”, particularly in a belittling way. A PTSD trigger is not something to be mocked.



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22 Jan 2020, 8:59 am

Is Darmok really claiming allegiance with antifa groups or is he just being sarcastic? Conservatives and antifa do not generally mix, but strange scenes and sarcasm do.


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22 Jan 2020, 3:26 pm

Most conservatives are antifascist. For example, Winston Churchill. It's possible Darmok was being sarcastic when he said "I hate Nazis" I guess.



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22 Jan 2020, 8:39 pm

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I'm having a hard time understanding why some WP members from countries other than the U.S. seem to be upset or triggered by the civil rights assembly in Virginia that was comprised of people who support the legal right to bear arms, the law of the land, in the country they live in.

Two WrongPlanet users have criticised the march in this thread:

- in the opening post, Darmok said it had been infiltrated by antifascists who would do violent things. Darmok is from New England.

- in the second reply, Sweetleaf called it a neo-Nazi gathering. Sweetleaf is from Colorado.

Once the march happened peacefully, Darmok decided that the attendees, who he told us were definitely antifascist terrorists no matter what anyone told us, weren’t antifascists at all. Although he’s apparently antifa now.

On a mod note - please don’t use the word “triggered” to mean “upset”, particularly in a belittling way. A PTSD trigger is not something to be mocked.


You misunderstood. I was not mocking PTSD. I have PTSD. Moreover my PTSD developed in part from two separate potentially lethal instances of me being a direct victim of gun violence; two instances. I believe that I'm the only one on WP who can honestly make such a claim. However, I will use the word "trigger" in direct relation to PTSD going forward. I'm sorry if the word "trigger" triggers some people's PTSD. It does not for me in any way.


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22 Jan 2020, 8:56 pm

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Most conservatives are antifascist. For example, Winston Churchill. It's possible Darmok was being sarcastic when he said "I hate Nazis" I guess.


Hating fascists doesn't equate to conservatism, I thought. That's a big misconception on the part of many leftists. Unfortunately our current "conservative" presidential substitute happens to bluster and blow much like Germany's most infamous. "Antifa" itself has enough anarchical elements and socialistic leanings as to be the opposite of what many conservatives want.

There are far too many divisions--the two-party system does not match up with the warring tiny factions on the ground currently sending their best keyboard warriors into combat.


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22 Jan 2020, 9:18 pm

Antifa showed up in support of the second amendment the rally had nothing to do with
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Antifa understands gun controls are used against minorities by the police. Antifa has issues with bad cops why should they only have to rely in them for protection.
Why would a group that hates bad cops want to live in a police state made possible by laws that violate the 2nd admendment.

Why This Antifa Group Is Siding With Thousands of Pro-Gun Conservatives In Virginia
A huge rally against gun control is shaping up to be a bizarre meeting of the minds.

When gun lovers rally in front of the Virginia Capitol in Richmond next week, the local chapter of antifa will be there too. But their members won’t be wearing all black, and they don’t plan to douse right-wingers in milkshakes or Silly String.

Instead, local antifa will join thousands of conservatives who are expected to descend on Richmond that day in protesting pending gun-control legislation introduced by Democratic lawmakers.

Antifa Seven Hills, based in Richmond, are opposing the slew of gun bills introduced by the newly Democratic Legislature since November, because they say those types of laws are used primarily to criminalize poor people, minorities, and leftists — and to bolster law enforcement’s power.

“I think it’s been pretty important for us to focus on the fact that gun control in America has a legacy of racist enforcement,” said Antifa Seven Hills spokesperson James (who asked that his name be withheld to avoid getting doxxed online). “Like taking guns away from black people, because black people were perceived as a threat to property and the sanctity of the state.

The local antifa chapter’s engagement in this issue is another example of the resurgence of pro-gun leftists in America and yet more evidence that the gun-rights debate is growing increasingly politically diffuse and nuanced beyond simply being a GOP issue. Under the Trump administration and in response to the emergence of an emboldened far-right movement, leftist gun groups have surged. For example, the Socialist Rifle Association was formed in 2018 and today has over 50 chapters across the country. Similarly, Redneck Revolt, a leftist gun group that formed in 2016, claims at least 45 chapters nationwide.

“This is our fight as much as anyone else’s,” James, who identifies as an anarchist, added. “It’s our state, and we are left largely out of the debate. The presence of an armed left is not discussed, it’s not understood.”

Antifa and conservative gun-rights activists would seem to be unlikely bedfellows; anyone who’s tuned into cable news in the last few years has watched scenes of political violence unfold between the hard-left and right-wingers in places like Portland, New York City, Boston, and Berkley. But in the case of Antifa Seven Hills, they believe they’ve got more in common with working-class white Virginians, regardless of their political bent, than they do with many of the moderate Democrats who helped their party win control of the Legislature in November, for the first time since 1994.


https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/akwv4k/why-antifa-is-siding-with-thousands-of-pro-gun-conservatives-in-virginia


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22 Jan 2020, 10:36 pm

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Is Darmok really claiming allegiance with antifa groups or is he just being sarcastic? Conservatives and antifa do not generally mix, but strange scenes and sarcasm do.


Nope, everything he's posted shows he's an anti-antifa conservative.


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23 Jan 2020, 2:38 am

Magna wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
Magna wrote:
I'm having a hard time understanding why some WP members from countries other than the U.S. seem to be upset or triggered by the civil rights assembly in Virginia that was comprised of people who support the legal right to bear arms, the law of the land, in the country they live in.

Two WrongPlanet users have criticised the march in this thread:

- in the opening post, Darmok said it had been infiltrated by antifascists who would do violent things. Darmok is from New England.

- in the second reply, Sweetleaf called it a neo-Nazi gathering. Sweetleaf is from Colorado.

Once the march happened peacefully, Darmok decided that the attendees, who he told us were definitely antifascist terrorists no matter what anyone told us, weren’t antifascists at all. Although he’s apparently antifa now.

On a mod note - please don’t use the word “triggered” to mean “upset”, particularly in a belittling way. A PTSD trigger is not something to be mocked.


You misunderstood. I was not mocking PTSD. I have PTSD. Moreover my PTSD developed in part from two separate potentially lethal instances of me being a direct victim of gun violence; two instances. I believe that I'm the only one on WP who can honestly make such a claim. However, I will use the word "trigger" in direct relation to PTSD going forward. I'm sorry if the word "trigger" triggers some people's PTSD. It does not for me in any way.


Given the above, how do you feel about people like this "journalist"?

https://taskandpurpose.com/nyc-journali ... -gave-ptsd


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23 Jan 2020, 7:32 am

^ To be clear, the two instances I experienced were not from shooting a firearm, they were from being directly shot AT by individuals at close range whose intents were to shoot me/kill me.

I read that article. Unless I missed it, the article didn't say he was diagnosed with PTSD; I have been diagnosed with PTSD by a professional who specializes in PTSD. If the journalist is only self-diagnosed, then it's acceptable for anyone to question his assertion because he could be wrong. If he was professionally diagnosed, I wouldn't judge one person's PTSD over another (e.g. "Mine is real, yours is fake.")

I've never shot an AR-15, so I can't comment directly on that. I do know people who own such rifles because they are very popular. I do know that a 12 Gauge shotgun is loud and has a large amount of "recoil". I do know that people I've talked with or listened to in the past about comparisons of "recoil" have said that the "recoil" of an AR-15 is virtually non-existent compared to something like a 12 Gauge shotgun.

Also, the journalist is wearing hearing protectors in the picture (wise). I do find it hard to believe that an AR-15 sounds like a cannon, especially with hearing protectors on. That does sound hyperbolic.


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23 Jan 2020, 8:08 am

Maybe I was a bit unclear: my question was basically what do you ( someone with legit PTSD) think of the uptick in people self-diagnosing PTSD from mundane and/or mildly bothersome experiences, such as this journalist (who fired what is essentially a .22 rifle and then wrote an insane article about what a horrible beast it is). Or, for another example, the woman who self-diagnosed PTSD as a result of mean Tweets, and then doubled down when confronted by a veteran with actual PTSD. Because I'd feel that they were seriously diluting the seriousness of that diagnosis by tossing their self-diagnoses around.


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23 Jan 2020, 11:06 am

I once fired an AK47 and I genuinely felt quite shaken up afterwards



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23 Jan 2020, 11:39 am

Sure. I've fired shotguns (12g), hunting-rifles (30-06 and 6.5x55 swedish) and pistols (9mm and .45ACP). It's a rush, and yes the adrenaline spike can reach uncomfortable levels if you're not used to handling and being around guns. But there's a world of difference between that and lasting psychological harm.


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23 Jan 2020, 9:01 pm

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...Because I'd feel that they were seriously diluting the seriousness of that diagnosis by tossing their self-diagnoses around.


That's exactly how I feel.


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