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24 Mar 2020, 9:01 am

WARNING: only use these if you have little to lose in the situation, i.e. you're not dependent on the other person for something, you just gave your two weeks notice, or, say, there are video cameras around and it's in a public place so there's minimal threat of assault...etc.

Yes, these may sound passive-aggressive and evoke the old expression "cutting one's nose of to spite one's face", but you have to admit...they are pretty funny and we can identify with all of them :P

1. After someone asks what is likely a rhetorical question, ask "Umm...is that rhetorical? I can't tell."

2. If someone asks if you're ignorant / not all there / have some sort of problem, respond: "no, I just have high standards for things making sense. I don't consider that to be a problem."

3. If you ask someone to clarify something and they still have a nuanced kind of reply to save face or comfort level or what have you, respond "I'm sorry, I don't 'speak Japanese'" (deliberately insert the "air quote" with fingers)

4. In a similar vein to the above, if you have a situation where someone finally "explodes" or lets out with the unvarnished meaning of some situation or why they were doing what they were, then respond with "OK, well we're not in Japan, why didn't you just say [insert direct no-BS meaning] when it was in your best interests to do so?"

5. When someone displays non-verbal signs of being disgruntled / upset / pissed and you've recently interacted with them, say "I noticed lately you seem upset, but...I'm not sure why."

6. If you're ever in a situation where someone reacts with a negative facial expression, study it in a bewildered way as if you're not sure why (do this with a 3rd person present), and when the 3rd person speaks up and says "he/she is reacting that way because [insert the unintended trigger on your part]", then respond with astonishment: "Oh! So THAT'S what that expression meant!! I was wondering what that meant, because I've gotten that reaction before and couldn't figure it out!!" [Again, only use this if you've already alienated those people in some way and you harbour negative feelings towards them ...they're sure to distance themselves from you as if you have the plague or you're a leper, as you'll be seen as irredeemably mentally ill.]

7. Go on random rants to the effect of "You know, the problem with society is that people don't know how to assert themselves - I don't know if it's part of their upbringing, but...most people seem really hesitant, for some weird reason, to clearly express what's bothering them when it's in their best interests to do so. Society would be a lot better off if people would learn more assertive communication." Some flippant individual might retort "no, society would be a lot better off without people like YOU", but you could always parry that with "that doesn't qualify as assertive communication, that's just plain hostile - any reasonable person would agree."

The corollary of all this is when you ask a separate party for advice on a conflict situation involving a perceived bully and the separate party says something dismissive like "well it takes two to tango" or "it's six of one, and half a dozen of the other" - what they seldom have insight into is that in your case, it's more unintentionally upsetting someone (i.e. lack of emotional intelligence), and in their case, it's intentionally upsetting you (i.e. lack of emotional maturity). Either way, nobody wins, no progress is made...which is where the above lines are strictly to be used in a "nothing left to lose" situation where you just wanna get some satisfaction :P



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24 Mar 2020, 9:21 am

8. Comment upon the literal meaning of what they say, even though it seems that they may be speaking metaphorically.

HE: "We should grab the bull by the horns."
ME: "Where is the bull whose horns you want me to grab?"
HE: "I meant that we should all pull together."
ME: "Pull what together?"
HE: "Go fly an effing kite, Fnord!"
ME: "In this weather? Besides, I didn't know that kites could 'eff'.""


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24 Mar 2020, 9:32 am

9. Always point out when their favourite politician is using tricksy vague grammar to give two mutually contradictory impressions simultaneously.
Guaranteed to annoy everyone. :wink:



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24 Mar 2020, 9:35 am

Fnord wrote:
8. Comment upon the literal meaning of what they say, even though it seems that they may be speaking metaphorically.

HE: "We should grab the bull by the horns."
ME: "Where is the bull whose horns you want me to grab?"
HE: "I meant that we should all pull together."
ME: "Pull what together?"
HE: "Go fly an effing kite, Fnord!"
ME: "In this weather? Besides, I didn't know that kites could 'eff'.""


Ha-ha-ha!! The regrettable truth, however, is that people who act in this more controlled/intentional passive-aggressive insidiously abusive manner, are considered more "normal" than those of us folks who are genuinely "emotionally dyslexic". 8O



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24 Mar 2020, 12:28 pm

Jayo wrote:
Fnord wrote:
8. Comment upon the literal meaning of what they say, even though it seems that they may be speaking metaphorically.

HE: "We should grab the bull by the horns."
ME: "Where is the bull whose horns you want me to grab?"
HE: "I meant that we should all pull together."
ME: "Pull what together?"
HE: "Go fly an effing kite, Fnord!"
ME: "In this weather? Besides, I didn't know that kites could 'eff'.""


Ha-ha-ha!! The regrettable truth, however, is that people who act in this more controlled/intentional passive-aggressive insidiously abusive manner, are considered more "normal" than those of us folks who are genuinely "emotionally dyslexic". 8O


The HE in this conversation wasn't being passive-agressive they were just using commonly understood idioms that some aspies find difficult to grasp.



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24 Mar 2020, 12:32 pm

hurtloam wrote:
Jayo wrote:
Fnord wrote:
8. Comment upon the literal meaning of what they say, even though it seems that they may be speaking metaphorically.

HE: "We should grab the bull by the horns."
ME: "Where is the bull whose horns you want me to grab?"
HE: "I meant that we should all pull together."
ME: "Pull what together?"
HE: "Go fly an effing kite, Fnord!"
ME: "In this weather? Besides, I didn't know that kites could 'eff'.""
Ha-ha-ha!! The regrettable truth, however, is that people who act in this more controlled/intentional passive-aggressive insidiously abusive manner, are considered more "normal" than those of us folks who are genuinely "emotionally dyslexic".
The "HE" in this conversation wasn't being passive-aggressive they were just using commonly understood idioms that some aspies find difficult to grasp.
Ahh ... but the "ME" in this conversation can neither confirm nor deny playing the Passive-Aggressive Game with the "HE".

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24 Mar 2020, 12:36 pm

hurtloam wrote:
Jayo wrote:
Fnord wrote:
8. Comment upon the literal meaning of what they say, even though it seems that they may be speaking metaphorically.

HE: "We should grab the bull by the horns."
ME: "Where is the bull whose horns you want me to grab?"
HE: "I meant that we should all pull together."
ME: "Pull what together?"
HE: "Go fly an effing kite, Fnord!"
ME: "In this weather? Besides, I didn't know that kites could 'eff'.""


Ha-ha-ha!! The regrettable truth, however, is that people who act in this more controlled/intentional passive-aggressive insidiously abusive manner, are considered more "normal" than those of us folks who are genuinely "emotionally dyslexic". 8O


The HE in this conversation wasn't being passive-agressive they were just using commonly understood idioms that some aspies find difficult to grasp.


Exactly. I don't see how the "he" person is being "passive aggressive" either. If anything the Me character is being perverse and passive aggressive.



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24 Mar 2020, 1:32 pm

i wear my shirt that says "we will survive because we are already skilled at social distancing".



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24 Mar 2020, 2:06 pm

Fnord wrote:
8. Comment upon the literal meaning of what they say, even though it seems that they may be speaking metaphorically.

HE: "We should grab the bull by the horns."
ME: "Where is the bull whose horns you want me to grab?"
HE: "I meant that we should all pull together."
ME: "Pull what together?"
HE: "Go fly an effing kite, Fnord!"
ME: "In this weather? Besides, I didn't know that kites could 'eff'.""
Playing at being extremely literal can drive anyone up the wall! :mrgreen:

Highly recommended if you can keep a straight face :P :mrgreen:


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24 Mar 2020, 2:41 pm

Skilpadde wrote:
Fnord wrote:
8. Comment upon the literal meaning of what they say, even though it seems that they may be speaking metaphorically.

HE: "We should grab the bull by the horns."
ME: "Where is the bull whose horns you want me to grab?"
HE: "I meant that we should all pull together."
ME: "Pull what together?"
HE: "Go fly an effing kite, Fnord!"
ME: "In this weather? Besides, I didn't know that kites could 'eff'.""
Playing at being extremely literal can drive anyone up the wall! Highly recommended if you can keep a straight face.
Why would I want my face to be straight? I mean, it has contours and bumps and my nose sticks out a little ... don't you mean "flat"?

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24 Mar 2020, 9:44 pm

Another great tactic, if you have a nitpicker on your hands...

Every time they rebuke you for some social etiquette transgression, keep a small pad and pen with you and tell them that you have to write this down and memorize it to make sure you don't repeat the mistake. After a while, you write one down and say, "wow, I'm up to 34, I really got my work cut out for me..." And at some point they might angrily yank the pad from you with a loud "gimme that!! !" And tear it in half, throw it across the room, or throw it out...then you retort with "OK, now I'm confused, I thought you wanted me to absorb this material?!" :P :D



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24 Mar 2020, 9:59 pm

Call them neurotypical.

They'll ask what it means and be offended that they're "typical". They won't like to be stereotyped. Then they'll argue that you are neurotypical too because everyone's a little bit autistic and they don't believe you. Then they are stereotyping you.

It's win-win.


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24 Mar 2020, 10:00 pm

Jayo wrote:
Another great tactic, if you have a nitpicker on your hands...

Every time they rebuke you for some social etiquette transgression, keep a small pad and pen with you and tell them that you have to write this down and memorize it to make sure you don't repeat the mistake. After a while, you write one down and say, "wow, I'm up to 34, I really got my work cut out for me..." And at some point they might angrily yank the pad from you with a loud "gimme that!! !" And tear it in half, throw it across the room, or throw it out...then you retort with "OK, now I'm confused, I thought you wanted me to absorb this material?!" :P :D


what kind of material do you think they want you to absorb? is it a liquid? :?



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25 Mar 2020, 2:07 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:
Call them neurotypical.

They'll ask what it means and be offended that they're "typical". They won't like to be stereotyped. Then they'll argue that you are neurotypical too because everyone's a little bit autistic and they don't believe you. Then they are stereotyping you.

It's win-win.


Works even better if you replace “neurotypical” with “normal”. :lol:



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25 Mar 2020, 10:28 am

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Works even better if you replace “neurotypical” with “normal”. :lol:


They don't seem to like being called "ordinary", either...


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25 Mar 2020, 10:41 am

KestrylR wrote:
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Works even better if you replace “neurotypical” with “normal”. :lol:


They don't seem to like being called "ordinary", either...


And if you really want to make the argument get totally out of proportion “you’re rendered mediocre by your inability to process all the details before arriving at a conclusion” always goes down a treat :twisted: