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The_Face_of_Boo
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25 Mar 2020, 3:27 pm

I am not endorsing this theory, I just saw this long bla bla somewhere.

My own theory: the virus is natural, but China is simply opportunist, like any other supernation.



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KARMA IS REAL!!

WELL PLAYED CHINA....

SCENE 1 : The curtain opens: China becomes ill, enters a "crisis" and paralyzes its trade. The curtain closes.

SCENE II. The curtain opens: The Chinese currency is devalued. They do not do anything. The curtain closes.

SCENE III. The curtain opens:: Due to the lack of trade of companies from Europe and the USA that are based in China, their shares fall 40% of their value.

SCENE IV. The curtain opens:: The world is ill, China buys 30% of the shares of companies in Europe and the US at a very low price. The curtain closes.

SCENE V. The curtain opens: China has controlled the disease and owns companies in Europe and the US. And he decides that these companies stay in China and earn $ 20,000Billions. The curtain closes. How is the play called?

SCENE VI: Checkmate!

ReAmazing but true

Two videos have passed between yesterday and today that convinced me of something I suspected, but had no basis. It was just my speculation. Now I am convinced that the coronavirus was purposely propagated by the Chinese themselves.
At first they were too prepared. Three weeks after the start of the roll, 14 days and a 12,000-bed hospitals were already under construction. And they really built them in two weeks. Awesome.
Yesterday they announced that they had stopped the epidemic. They appear in videos celebrating, they announce that they even have a vaccine. How could they create it so quickly without having all the genetic information? Well if you are the owner of the formula it is not difficult at all.
And today I just saw a video that explains how Den Xiao Ping gave the west a half stick. Due to the coronavirus, the actions of Western companies in China fell dramatically. China I just hope, when they went down enough they bought them. Now the companies,
Created by the USA and Europe in China with all the technology put in by these exchanges and their capital they passed into the hands of China, which is now rising with all that technological potential and will be able to set prices at will to sell everything they need to the West. How are you?
None of this could have happened by chance. China who cared that a few old men died? Fewer old-age pensions to pay, but the loot has been huge. And right now the West is financially defeated, in crisis and stunned by the disease. And without knowing what to do.
Masterfully diabolic. It had to be the communists. |

Adding to this, they are now the single largest owners of US treasury with 1.18 trillion holding surpassing Japan.
An instrument that has seen the most rally

One prospective & Analogy....

How come Russia & North Korea are totally free of Covid- 19? Because they are staunch ally of China. Not a single case reported from this 2 countries. On the other hand South Korea / United Kingdom / Italy / Spain and Asia are severely hit. How come Wuhan is suddenly free from the deadly virus? China will say that their drastic initial measures they took was very stern and Wuhan was locked down to contain the spread to other areas. Why Beijing was not hit? Why only Wuhan? Kind of interesting to ponder upon.. right? Well ..Wuhan is open for business now. America and all the above mentioned countries are devastated financially. Soon American economy will collapse as planned by China. China knows it CANNOT defeat America militarily as USA is at present THE MOST POWERFUL country in the world. So use the virus...to cripple the economy and paralyse the nation and its Defense capabilities. I'm sure Nancy Pelosi got a part in this. . to topple Trump. Lately President Trump was always telling of how GREAT American economy was improving in all fronts. The only way to destroy his vision of making AMERICA GREAT AGAIN is to create an economic havoc. Nancy Pelosi was unable to bring down Trump thru impeachment. ....so work along with China to destroy Trump by releasing a virus. Wuhan,s epidemic was a showcase. At the peak of the virus epidemic. ..China's President Xi Jinping...just wore a simple RM1 facemask to visit those effected areas. As President he should be covered from head to toe.....but it was not the case. He was already injected to resist any harm from the virus....that means a cure was already in place before the virus was released. Some may ask....Bill Gates already predicted the outbreak in 2015...so the chinese agenda cannot be true. The answer is. ..YES...Bill Gates did predict. .but that prediction is based on a genuine virus outbreak. Now China is also telling that the virus was predicted well in advance. ....so that its agenda would play along well to match that prediction. China,s vision is to control the World economy by buying up stocks now from countries facing the brink of severe ECONOMIC COLLAPSE. Later China will announce that their Medical Researchers have found a cure to destroy the virus. Now China have other countries stocks in their arsenal and these countries will soon be slave to their master...CHINA.Now here is an interesting conspiracy theory if you want:

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Not sure if these figures are even true.



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25 Mar 2020, 6:24 pm

But where does the Biden-Clinton-Obama triad fit in?


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25 Mar 2020, 8:06 pm

Not enough lizard people in this one.


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25 Mar 2020, 10:59 pm

Whilst there are certainly a few coincidences here (I've probably missed many):
* Virus research lab in city where this started
* Denial (within China as well as outside) of any problem by China until virus becoming widespread outside China
* Financial impact much greater on major economies than on China

I'd prefer to work on the practice of never attributing to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.

From what I have seen, the Chinese governement worked hard to hide information about this issue as it would have reflected poorly on them, and kept at it as long as it was possible to do so. The fact that they now have the ability to benefit from this financially, however, is likely to come with the potential risk that it will reinforce the consipracy theory, and so should they be seen to be taking advantage of a disaster of their own making will result in future issues when dealing with other countries governements, or when requesting assistance.

As to no reports of this virus from North Korea or Russia...As far as I know, both these countries (like China) have a high degree of government control of the media (as opposed to the USA, for example, where at certain times (in 4 year blocks generally) the media is extremely critical of the governement), and so the lask of reports from those countries does not neccesarily indicate that the issue is not present there as well.



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25 Mar 2020, 11:12 pm

berry berry interesting . hoping its merely a conspiracsy theory. . but causes one to wonder.


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27 Mar 2020, 8:59 pm

Or maybe communist/socialist states are just better at handling population-threatening pandemics than capitalist ones.

Not a tankie by any means (anarcho-communist actually), but the numbers speak for themselves.



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28 Mar 2020, 3:37 pm

Russia has been classifying cases of COVID-19 as 'pneumonia'. It's not that they don't have cases, it's that they're dishonestly referring to them as something else for appearances sake.


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29 Mar 2020, 10:42 am

MushroomPrincess wrote:
Or maybe communist/socialist states are just better at handling population-threatening pandemics than capitalist ones.

Not a tankie by any means (anarcho-communist actually), but the numbers speak for themselves.

No they don’t :lol:

The numbers are inherently open to interpretation. If you’re the sort of person who believes North Korean propaganda then maybe you’ll believe that through sheer force of will, communism stops people from getting sick. Or maybe you’ll think we have no idea what is actually going on there and shouldn’t take silence as actual evidence for it being virus free.

I would argue the numbers basically show what you’d expect - that countries with more global travel have more cases. Economic system doesn’t seem to be having an impact.

There are more deaths per person in China than in Hong Kong or Taiwan, and in Wuhan the difference is even bigger. That suggests China isn’t actually doing better than you would expect.



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29 Mar 2020, 11:22 am

^ indeed.
Could also add that the CPC was slow to act, at least compared to most other countries that have gone into full lockdown: being too busy trying to control information flow to focus on controlling spread of the virus.
One could possibly argue that their system of government enabled them to achieve a very high level of compliance with a very strict lockdown...
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1) Without the totalitarian monoprioritisation of “appearing competent” over “being competent” they might never have needed to impose such strict measures in the first place.
2) The current Chinese regime has the foundation of approximately two-thousand years of professional bureaucratic, frequently but not consistently authoritarian, governance to draw upon as a massive cultural resource, no other country has anything quite like it, and the CPC can claim no credit for it: indeed under Mao they tried to destroy it.
For myself I doubt whether they would look half as competent as they do from even a sceptical perspective without the combined legacy of Confucianism and Legalism.



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30 Mar 2020, 6:06 pm

The_Walrus wrote:
MushroomPrincess wrote:
Or maybe communist/socialist states are just better at handling population-threatening pandemics than capitalist ones.

Not a tankie by any means (anarcho-communist actually), but the numbers speak for themselves.

No they don’t :lol:

The numbers are inherently open to interpretation. If you’re the sort of person who believes North Korean propaganda then maybe you’ll believe that through sheer force of will, communism stops people from getting sick. Or maybe you’ll think we have no idea what is actually going on there and shouldn’t take silence as actual evidence for it being virus free.

I would argue the numbers basically show what you’d expect - that countries with more global travel have more cases. Economic system doesn’t seem to be having an impact.

There are more deaths per person in China than in Hong Kong or Taiwan, and in Wuhan the difference is even bigger. That suggests China isn’t actually doing better than you would expect.



Maybe Kim is killing them and burning them.



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30 Mar 2020, 6:12 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
MushroomPrincess wrote:
Or maybe communist/socialist states are just better at handling population-threatening pandemics than capitalist ones.

Not a tankie by any means (anarcho-communist actually), but the numbers speak for themselves.

No they don’t :lol:

The numbers are inherently open to interpretation. If you’re the sort of person who believes North Korean propaganda then maybe you’ll believe that through sheer force of will, communism stops people from getting sick. Or maybe you’ll think we have no idea what is actually going on there and shouldn’t take silence as actual evidence for it being virus free.

I would argue the numbers basically show what you’d expect - that countries with more global travel have more cases. Economic system doesn’t seem to be having an impact.

There are more deaths per person in China than in Hong Kong or Taiwan, and in Wuhan the difference is even bigger. That suggests China isn’t actually doing better than you would expect.



Maybe Kim is killing them and burning them.


uhmm one way of stopping a virus spread,,,,,,,, :evil: omg.


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01 Apr 2020, 2:01 am

What's the point of conspiracy 'theories'? In this case, as in many others, there is a clear move by various nation states to crack down on civil liberties and destroy economies. There's nothing hidden about it; it can be read, watched and listened to in the mainstream media.



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01 Apr 2020, 10:04 am

JD12345 wrote:
What's the point of conspiracy 'theories'? In this case, as in many others, there is a clear move by various nation states to crack down on civil liberties and destroy economies. There's nothing hidden about it; it can be read, watched and listened to in the mainstream media.


if you take this post alittle further....... ideally you make the populace strictly dependant on the government to protect and save them from this insidious viral thing . All the while , population eagerly gives up civil liberties , to the reigning power to just survive The onsaught of the vast viral hordes . Something that the average person is ill equipped to survive by themselves.
Throw in the only available mass media to reinforce these ideas. And you could have control over anyone .But what if someone showed up saying you could defend yourself by some silly vitamin combination. Taken a few times a day.
NO ONE, would believe it..Modern medicine appears to be the next battlefield.
Under the current circumstances . One the government has strict controls over .
All this started from one Chinese person eating one bat .! but how long in given history have Chinese people been eating bats ?
The 1918 flu pandemic , killed huge amounts of population . But it was WW1
that governments first started using mustard gas in combat . WW1 , U.S. involvement was 1914-1918 , As if the War itself did not kull the herds enough.
Then came Spanish flu .. deleting more populace. On the very heals of years of war. . Bio warfare came to its use in WW2 , People had everything rationed came to learn self support to make their lives work. Governments lose some over there power over their controls over the populace . Governments do not survive unless the people are dependant on them.
These are just parrallels that bother me.
that bother me . :?:


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01 Apr 2020, 10:10 am

There is something floating around now, an Italian article from 2015 which talks about Chinese scientists boasting about making a super-virus from bat and mice corona viruses back then.

Personally I don't believe it's a natural virus. I think it was manipulated/created. Is it possible it's of natural origin? Yes. Is it possible that it's not? Yes. I'm hopeful we'll get the answer at some point. Some declaration a few weeks ago by a few scientists that said they believe it's of natural origin doesn't settle it for me.


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01 Apr 2020, 5:17 pm

I don’t understand, Putin has been blamed for everything that has gone wrong since 2016 but not coronavirus? Why? Russia has few cases but Russia's competitors America, Europe, and China are getting swamped. What happened to Occam's razor?


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01 Apr 2020, 5:23 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
I don’t understand, Putin has been blamed for everything that has gone wrong since 2016 but not coronavirus? Why? Russia has few cases but Russia's competitors America, Europe, and China are getting swamped. What happened to Occam's razor?


Occam's Razor would lead one to the conclusion that Russia is just lying. Does anyone believe they're not being swamped with coronavirus, but just coincidentally have gotten an outbreak of pneumonia?


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