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01 May 2020, 2:50 am

Extreme majority of people don't fit in perfectly to either far left or far right. If someone supports mostly things that the right side supports, then he or she is on the right side even if there are some individual points they don't support. Same with left. If the things someone supports from right and left are pretty even, then they're usually called centrists.

If someone switches sides a lot based on what's convinient for them at the moment, then their main purpose is to support themselves, not a particular acenda.



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01 May 2020, 2:58 am

That’s Trump in a nutshell.



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01 May 2020, 2:59 am

tuck frump is a symptom of a larger disease of our body politic/culture. he is the logical end-point of american-style capitalist-think/social darwinism.



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01 May 2020, 3:08 am

QFT wrote:
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He was a registered democrat for years.


The crucial question is when. I heard that democrats and republicans "switched sides". So, a few decades ago, democrats used to be more conservative ones.


That was in the early 70s. It was called the Southern Strategy, because it was a GOP plan to win over conservative southern Democrats who were butthurt over the Civil Rights Act being passed.


So are you saying Republicans don't really believe in conservative values, they are just trying to "market" themselves to southerners? But then why do they still sound conservative if you have a privite conversation with them, where none of the southerners can hear them?


No. He is not saying that.



Tim Tex didn't say it quite right, but he is saying what I said earlier above. Republicans were/are conservatives, and White folks in South were/are conservative for the most part.

But White Southerners from the Civil War onward were solidly Democrat- thus were forced into a marriage with the northern democrats. That marriage became increasingly unstable as the 20th century progressed when northern dems became the party of labor, and then the party of the New Deal, and then the main ally of the Black Civil Rights movement, thus became liberal.

So in the Sixties and Seventies GOP politicians like Nixon, Goldwater, and Reagan, realized that White Southerners are a big bloc of fellow conservatives who could be pried away from the Democrat party and into the GOP fold. And by "the Republican Revolution" (the 1994 off year election that changed the House from Dem to gop) the transformation of the South to GOP was finally complete.

How Trump fits in is that he is not a Southerner, but a New Yorker, and he was not even involved in politics until the 21st Century. So Trump was never "a southern democrat/Dixiecrat".



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01 May 2020, 3:10 am

Many people WOULD take the Kool Aid if Dear Leader told them to do that.

How can a person who, even sarcastically, espouses the ingestion of poison to kill the present virus be considered a viable dog catcher, no less political leader?



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01 May 2020, 3:19 am

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Many people WOULD take the Kool Aid if Dear Leader told them to do that. How can a person who, even sarcastically, espouses the ingestion of poison to kill the present virus be considered a viable dog catcher, no less political leader?

because his followers have been so well conditioned by his goebbels-style big lies, will swallow anything he feeds them. if he dog-whistles them to go and kill one-half of the working class [the ones not right-wing], they will do so. if he weren't borderline senescent, he would be incredibly dangerous. as it is, his ineptitude is dangerous enough as it is.



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01 May 2020, 3:28 am

He is neither. He is whatever is convenient to him at that very moment as he is just someone who wants power. Power over principles. He would flip 180 degrees absolutely any position he 'holds' tomorrow if he thought it would keep him in power for longer.

The only thing you can say with confidence is that he is authoritarian.



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01 May 2020, 4:10 am

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Trump is a moderate national libertarian. He's probably the most libertarian president since Calvin Coolidge in the early 20th century.

And there are other terms you can use that say the same thing: Trump is a pragmatic national libertarian; he's a small-r and small-d federal democratic-republican; he's a constitutionalist — all these are accurate because the American system of federal constitutional republican government is fundamentally libertarian.

Trump's opposites are the global lefto-fascists — whether they are global corruptocrats like Clinton and Biden, communist kooks like Bernie Sanders, Fabian socialists like Obama, or fascist street thugs like antifa. Because he is their opposite, all these people hate him intensely, whether they are in the halls of Congress, in the corridors of the UN, or on the pages of obscure websites for autistic people.

“Everyone to the left of Donald Trump is a fascist”.

Literally zero people are going to believe this.

How many times has Trump been judged to have overstepped his constitutional powers by the courts? What are his views on, for example, using nuclear bombs against US allies, or torturing terrorists, or collective punishment? Has he shown any respect for the constitution at all?

Has Trump shown any respect for the rights of states? Has he not, in recent weeks, threatened to override public health measures put in place by various states using the powers invested in them by the constitution? What about on issues like immigration and drug legalisation? Forcing states to accept offshore drilling? DeVos stopping states from cracking down on student loans?

I’m also not sure there’s much evidence of Trump ever being pragmatic. Pragmatism is cerebral, and Trump’s flip-flops are more impulsive. But if he is actually practicing a “pragmatic” form of libertarianism then it’s a form which is more authoritarian than Dubya.

The Cato Institute is probably the most prominent libertarian think tank in the US. If anyone genuinely thinks Donald Trump might be a secret libertarian then this is a good read: https://www.cato.org/publications/comme ... rown-trump

But I guess the Cato Institute are just a bunch of “lefto-fascists”.



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01 May 2020, 8:10 am

Trump is more of a nationalist than a traditional conservative but he is not a liberal by any stretch,so I would call him a conservative.


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01 May 2020, 9:20 am

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Trump is more of a nationalist than a traditional conservative but he is not a liberal by any stretch,so I would call him a conservative.

He doesn't seem want to conserve much.

He seems to want to tear everything down and remake it ....

GLORIOUSLY, GREATLY, BIGLY, MUCH BETTER, FANTASTICALLY, WONDERFULLY, and YUGELY ....

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01 May 2020, 10:55 am

TheRobotLives wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
Trump is more of a nationalist than a traditional conservative but he is not a liberal by any stretch,so I would call him a conservative.

He doesn't seem want to conserve much.

He seems to want to tear everything down and remake it ....

GLORIOUSLY, GREATLY, BIGLY, MUCH BETTER, FANTASTICALLY, WONDERFULLY, and YUGELY ....

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He is no traditional conservative but he is to far to the right to be liberal.I don't know what else to call him.

I got my Trump check in the mail today,for at least today I'm happy with Trump.


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01 May 2020, 11:37 am

aren't they just giving us back our own money that we'll have to give back at some future date?



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01 May 2020, 12:26 pm

auntblabby wrote:
aren't they just giving us back our own money that we'll have to give back at some future date?

no strings attached, yet Trump does want your vote.


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01 May 2020, 1:11 pm

Trump Is a Real Loser;
Trump Is a Winner
Anyway His Wind
Blows that
Suits
HiS Whims;
The Dude Went Bankrupt
How many times; He is no Conservative;
He is as Liberal as Lies come and go Now;
Really, He's Nothing of Value at all Butt Blow Hard;
The Republican
Party has also
morphed
into Him;
Just No Value
At All As Bankrupt Ideology
Comes and Goes Dressed in Lies.
In Other Words, Trump Is Neither
Conservative Or Liberal; Not Unlike
What the Republican Party Has Morphed
into too;
A Three
Letter
Word
Spelled Lie;
And A Four
Letter one
of Faux News;
Now at Least for
What The Empirical
Data Currently Shows;
AnyWay, i for one Enjoy Full Freedoms NoW iN America!
Happy 'Pagan' (i Do NOT BelieVE iN TrumpS) Good Friday May Day to All; Just for the
'Hell' oF iT iN Heaven; Meanwhile; Sure, Let The 'Guns as Roses' 'Wilt' iN DarK as Lies Do.


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01 May 2020, 3:56 pm

Neither, he's merely a bottomless shamewell.


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