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02 May 2020, 7:41 am

I'm not talking about violent physical attacks, I'm talking about verbal attacks, especially the ones done in the internet, the ones people do without using their own names. Just why do people bother to insult and belittle the rich? If you want higher taxes for the rich and want them to pay more for the whole society's well being then that's fine, but anonymously whining and just being an a** in the internet is not the way to do it. Instead, you can enter politics or at least vote, start some internet cambaing to either gently encourage the rich to do more charity or even use heart breaking statistics (facts) about homelessness and starvation to get them in to feeling sympathy and to get them to do it, but it's much more convincing if you do it with your own name and face, especially if you're doing the later.

Seriously, I'm sure many of us have seen news of how this or that rich person has given a huge sum to charity, and then there's a bunch of people whining about how they could have given more. Yes, they probably could, but just like rich people could give more to charity, the whiners could leave out unnecessary stuff like going to hair dressers, movies, concerts and buying unnecessary stuff like games, junk food and just donate the amounts used to those things to charity.

...What's this? Little whiner doesn't want to give up on things he/she/they likes? Then why the **** is that whiner demanding the same from others!? Seriously, everyone who can afford to buy things that aren't an absolute necessarity or go to places they don't need to go to could donate more to charity. Yet they choose to have some fun with their own money instead, so why do they think the rich don't have the same right? GROW UP, YOU ENVIOUS LOSERS!

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Ugh yeah, I may be overdoing this, but with all the rich people bashing I've seen lately in the internet, I just had to get this out. Just either mind your own business or, if you want to change the way things are, aim to do so properly instead of whining about it in the internet like a loser.

And no, I'm not rich, never have been. I'm a child of a nurse and a farmer, working part time with minimum wage and am renting a studio apartment.



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02 May 2020, 8:56 am

This is a very good point. It probably would be better to bring up the statistics rather than bash the rich person.



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02 May 2020, 8:58 am

I personally don't think you're overdoing it.

The majority of this whining I've seen seems to have stemmed from jealousy and disenfranchisement.

People obviously targeted in particular are those who have grown up in rich and privileged backgrounds. From some politicians, to even rags-to-riches-story celebrities.

Philanthropy is perceived as a redeeming quality for the rich, so of course, the poorer wants to see them donate what they think is their "loads of money" to worthy charities and causes.

Disillusion is also why those who oppose the rich would rather echo chamber their disdain on the internet, almost giving up after actively attempting votes and campaigns, or some who haven't even tried and find it easier and more relatable to join a social compelled speech groupthink hivemind.


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02 May 2020, 9:09 am

Sarahsmith wrote:
This is a very good point. It probably would be better to bring up the statistics rather than bash the rich person.


They should also not be rude and condescending towards those they perceive to be rich just to “get even”. A lot of doctors get snide remarks thrown their way because they make a lot of money but who will these people go to when they need medical care? :roll:



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02 May 2020, 9:16 am

Had something a bit like that last year: Guy I know was banging on about how evil the royal family are etc etc, I stuck up for them and then he turned and said ”but I thought you were a socialist!” to which I responded that I’d rather see a better future built up than some poor old biddy locked in a golden cage long past retirement age insulted for no good reason.
I got the “you’re autistic so clearly don’t understand these matters” slur in response. :roll:

I think some folks are just so consumed by resentful self-pity they can’t see the world they’re in clearly. Poor fools. 8O



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02 May 2020, 10:54 am

<sarcasm>Nice to know that “keeping up with the Joneses” is still alive and well.</sarcasm>



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02 May 2020, 11:02 am

Marknis wrote:
Sarahsmith wrote:
This is a very good point. It probably would be better to bring up the statistics rather than bash the rich person.


They should also not be rude and condescending towards those they perceive to be rich just to “get even”. A lot of doctors get snide remarks thrown their way because they make a lot of money but who will these people go to when they need medical care? :roll:


And let's not forget that education is expensive. Unless you're already from a wealthy family, you're likely to be in huge debt when you graduate to be a doctor.



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02 May 2020, 1:08 pm

Please open your hearts and your purses,
To a man who is misunderstood.
He gets all the kicks and the curses,
Though he wishes you nothing but good.
Well he wistfully begs you to show him,
You think he's a friend, not a louse.
So remember the debt that you owe him,
The landlord who lends you his house.

(CHORUS:)
So pity the downtrodden landlord,
And his back that is burdened and bent.
Respect his grey hairs,
Don't ask for repairs,
And don't be behind with the rent!

Now, you're able to work for a living,
And rejoice in your strength and your skill,
So try to be kind and forgiving,
To a man whom a day's work would kill.
You can work and still talk to your neighbors,
You can look the whole world in the face.
But the landlord who ventured to labor,
Would never survive the disgrace.
This song was originally posted on protestsonglyrics.net
(CHORUS)

When thunder clouds gather and darken,
You can sleep undisturbed in your bed;
But the landlord must sit up and hearken,
And shiver and wonder and dread;
If you're killed, then you die in a hurry,
And you never will know your bad luck,
But the landlord is shaking with worry,
"Has one of my houses been struck?"
This song was originally posted on protestsonglyrics.net
(CHORUS)

Now when a landlord resorts to eviction,
Don't think that he does it for spite;
He is acting from deepest conviction,
And what's right, after all, is what's right.
But I see that your hearts are all hardened,
And I fear I'm appealing in vain;
Yet I hope my last plea will be pardoned,
If I beg on my knees once again.
(CHORUS)

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02 May 2020, 3:11 pm

Fireblossom wrote:

Ugh yeah, I may be overdoing this, but with all the rich people bashing I've seen lately in the internet, I just had to get this out. Just either mind your own business or, if you want to change the way things are, aim to do so properly instead of whining about it in the internet like a loser.



Great post, Fireblossom.

I agree with you completely. I don't like to see any group of people stereotyped and insulted by prejudice. Rich people can be charitable philanthropists (although they have no obligation to be). They can be hardworking people who deserve everything they have, if not more, for their contribution to the workforce. Maybe they inherited the money. Maybe they won the lottery. Who knows. On the flip side they can be corrupt or selfish or terrible people. Likewise, I know people in very low income brackets who are kind and charitable to the best of their ability, who work very hard and deserve more, and some who have lost their money through tragedy (medical bills, or problems no fault of their own). Then there are people who have little money but are jerks and don't care about others at all. Maybe they gamble, or spend on drugs, or commit crimes, or begrudge anyone else who has more in the bank.

Judgement and prejudice about money are wrong, regardless of the stereotypes we might imagine.


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03 May 2020, 4:31 am

[quote="politically"]And this has... what to do with the Haven subforum, again?] quote edited by moderator

From what I've understood, the Haven is for anything that bothers someone a lot, save for maybe too adult themes... but then again, this might be too political. If the mods think this is too political, they can move it to PPR.

My money? Like I said, I'm a part timer renting a studio; do you really think I'd be renting a studio if I had a lot of money?

I admit that you did get me with the thing about whining about other whiners. I suppose this pot here likes to call the kettle black. :lol:

Aren't you making negative stereotype assumptions here? Rich people can also use their money to protect the enviroment you know, not to mention anyone can cause harm to it.



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03 May 2020, 7:50 am

politically wrote:
And this has... what to do with the Haven subforum, again?[/quote edited]

She’s never said anything like that to anyone so you are making a ton of straw man assumptions. How if she even oppressing anyone? That is just silly.

Fireblossom wrote:
Aren't you making negative stereotype assumptions here? Rich people can also use their money to protect the enviroment you know, not to mention anyone can cause harm to it.


There are actually rednecks who practice an intentional form of air pollution called “rolling coal” as a way to express anti-environmentalism. I’ve also seen non-rich people disregard recycling as well as throw trash on the ground and speed like crazy in their vehicles as well as blast their music at crazy loud volumes.



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03 May 2020, 9:38 am

[quote="politically"]And this has... what to do with the Haven subforum, again?.[/quote edited]

Reading a post before answering is very useful, your extravagant accusations and veiled threats against a respectable person make you look like a fool.



I guess you've got your answer, Fireblossom: some people derive great pleasure from hate, even when it's mislplaced.


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03 May 2020, 9:58 am

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And this has... what to do with the Haven subforum, again? Are you just trying to make miserable people even more so, Fireblossom? Do you seem to think that your money entitles you to even more oppression? Oh, I'm sorry, you seem to think you're entitled to... whine about other supposed whiners? Yes, not ironic at all that you're whining about others... and no, verbal attacks are the *least* that can happen... what, you think you can destroy not only people, but the environment, the whole world practically for future generations... and not even get verbally attacked? Pathetic... oh, but of course, you must be the type of person who'd call others snowflakes, no doubt completely oblivious to the ironic 'insult'... afraid of verbal insults, hah, moneyed people in the French revolution had it worse...
^ This is totally uncool and uncalled-for, especially in The Haven.

Have a nice day!


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03 May 2020, 10:14 am

(She’s never said anything like that to anyone so you are making a ton of straw man assumptions. How if she even oppressing anyone? That is just silly.

Fireblossom wrote:
Aren't you making negative stereotype assumptions here? Rich people can also use their money to protect the enviroment you know, not to mention anyone can cause harm to it.


There are actually rednecks who practice an intentional form of air pollution called “rolling coal” as a way to express anti-environmentalism. I’ve also seen non-rich people disregard recycling as well as throw trash on the ground and speed like crazy in their vehicles as well as blast their music at crazy loud volumes.[/quote]


You're right, marknis: there are plenty of "non-rich" folk who care nothing at all for the environment whereas plenty of rich folk are doing what they can within their power to change things. It's stereotyping, the same as some people do with gays, Muslims etc. I've seen plenty of similar behaviour to what you describe.

Politically's post is out of order and uncalled for, something from "the heat of the moment".


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03 May 2020, 1:20 pm

Fireblossom wrote:
Marknis wrote:
Sarahsmith wrote:
This is a very good point. It probably would be better to bring up the statistics rather than bash the rich person.


They should also not be rude and condescending towards those they perceive to be rich just to “get even”. A lot of doctors get snide remarks thrown their way because they make a lot of money but who will these people go to when they need medical care? :roll:


And let's not forget that education is expensive. Unless you're already from a wealthy family, you're likely to be in huge debt when you graduate to be a doctor.


I am in that club, except I am not a medical doctor but a chemistry professor. My monthly student loan payment is much higher than my rent (small studio apartment, cheapest in the building, still costing four figures). I make way less than a medical doctor, yet I often train them before the go on to medical school. Some of my former students make more than me with just a bachelors degree. However, I chose my career path, so it is my own fault for being in the situation that I am in. People assume I am rich just because I have a PHD at the end of my name. I can personally tell you it is just not the case.

This is the traditional “The grass is greener on the other side.” argument. This will go on until the end of time or until humans become extinct. One never knows what the other person’s life is truly like until they walk in their shoes.



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03 May 2020, 1:37 pm

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You're right, marknis: there are plenty of "non-rich" folk who care nothing at all for the environment whereas plenty of rich folk are doing what they can within their power to change things. It's stereotyping, the same as some people do with gays, Muslims etc. I've seen plenty of similar behaviour to what you describe.


My family’s neighbors in Kansas still burn their trash in a burn barrel within the town. They do not want to pay $10/month to have it hauled away. It is not that they cannot afford it. They have been known to ignore burn bans just because they wanted their trash gone on a windy day. They also dump used motor oil on weeds in their yard to kill them. I gave up talking to them years ago. Sometimes people have to learn the hard way.