Woman calls cops another Black Jogger
22 Oct 2020, 3:27 pm
cyberdad wrote:
Amy Cooper's momentary act of stupidity has contributed to changes in the law
San Francisco's "Caren Act" makes placing racist 911 calls a hate crime
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... -911-calls
Quite certain this is directly linked to Amy "Karen" Cooper
San Francisco's "Caren Act" makes placing racist 911 calls a hate crime
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... -911-calls
Quite certain this is directly linked to Amy "Karen" Cooper
Seems meaningless.
"unanimously approved hate crime legislation giving the targets of those calls the ability to sue the caller".
People can already sue someone.
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22 Oct 2020, 6:20 pm
auntblabby wrote:
there is an author named graham hancock who maintains that a series of cataclysmic comet fragment impacts 12k years ago wiped out an earlier civilization that was in many ways more advanced than we are today, in a knowledge sense if not a tech sense, a mental civilization using the powers of the mind more than mechanical/tech contrivances to do work. he maintains that our present situation has all the hallmarks of a civilization circling the drain and that we very likely are going to follow the previous civilization down the memory hole of existence.
Yes I've read a number of his books. He has demonstrated the flaws in modern archaeology which has a fundamentalist view that there must be a neat demarcation between the Palaeolithic and ancient eras leading up the christian era.
22 Oct 2020, 6:24 pm
TheRobotLives wrote:
Seems meaningless.
"unanimously approved hate crime legislation giving the targets of those calls the ability to sue the caller".
People can already sue someone.
"unanimously approved hate crime legislation giving the targets of those calls the ability to sue the caller".
People can already sue someone.
That's what the conservatives said about Australia's racial vilification act in relation to hate speech when it was passed in 1975. It took a while but a journalist was charged for hate speech in relation to comments he made in 2011.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-09-28/ ... 25918?nw=0
22 Oct 2020, 8:11 pm
cyberdad wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
Seems meaningless.
"unanimously approved hate crime legislation giving the targets of those calls the ability to sue the caller".
People can already sue someone.
"unanimously approved hate crime legislation giving the targets of those calls the ability to sue the caller".
People can already sue someone.
That's what the conservatives said about Australia's racial vilification act in relation to hate speech when it was passed in 1975. It took a while but a journalist was charged for hate speech in relation to comments he made in 2011.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-09-28/ ... 25918?nw=0
This "hate crime legislation" simply gives the target the ability to sue the caller.
It has nothing to do with criminal prosecution.
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16 Feb 2021, 1:20 pm
Case dropped against Amy Cooper
https://www.yahoo.com/news/case-dropped ... 43120.html
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16 Feb 2021, 2:10 pm
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The case against Amy Cooper, the white woman who was seen on camera calling 911 and falsely accusing a Black man of threatening her in Central Park, has been dismissed, CBS New York reports.
The dismissal comes after Amy Cooper did five therapy sessions incorporating racial equity with Manhattan Justice Opportunities.
"Given the issues at hand and Ms. Cooper's lack of criminal background, we offered her, consistent with our position on many misdemeanor cases involving a first arrest, an alternative, restorative justice resolution; designed not just to punish but to educate and promote community healing," said Assistant District Attorney Joan Illuzzi. "Manhattan Justice Opportunities answered the call to assist. They engaged Ms. Cooper in a comprehensive, respectful program designed towards introspection and progress."
Illuzi said even though Christian Cooper declined to be involved, the DA still pursued the case because "we determined that the defendant's offense wasn't solely against one individual but was a threat to the community if allowed to go unchecked."
Her lawyer issued a statement praising the DA's office for its "thorough & honest inquiry" and its dismissal of the case. "Others rushed to the wrong conclusion based on inadequate investigation & they may yet face legal consequences," attorney Robert Barnes added, without specifying who he thought misjudged her actions.
The dismissal comes after Amy Cooper did five therapy sessions incorporating racial equity with Manhattan Justice Opportunities.
"Given the issues at hand and Ms. Cooper's lack of criminal background, we offered her, consistent with our position on many misdemeanor cases involving a first arrest, an alternative, restorative justice resolution; designed not just to punish but to educate and promote community healing," said Assistant District Attorney Joan Illuzzi. "Manhattan Justice Opportunities answered the call to assist. They engaged Ms. Cooper in a comprehensive, respectful program designed towards introspection and progress."
Illuzi said even though Christian Cooper declined to be involved, the DA still pursued the case because "we determined that the defendant's offense wasn't solely against one individual but was a threat to the community if allowed to go unchecked."
Her lawyer issued a statement praising the DA's office for its "thorough & honest inquiry" and its dismissal of the case. "Others rushed to the wrong conclusion based on inadequate investigation & they may yet face legal consequences," attorney Robert Barnes added, without specifying who he thought misjudged her actions.
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16 Feb 2021, 4:20 pm
No big deal. Christian Cooper never had a desire to escalate it further beyond getting an apology. He was the plaintiff so he was the only one that mattered. The therapy was a compromise, plus she lost her job and her name is will go down in annals of the greatest Karen of all time. She got what she deserved.
Christian was extremely decent about the whole thing given Amy Cooper obviously invoked "death by cop" on him.
16 Feb 2021, 4:24 pm
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Case dismissed against woman in viral Central Park confrontation after she completes therapy sessions
Quote:
The case against Amy Cooper, the white woman who was seen on camera calling 911 and falsely accusing a Black man of threatening her in Central Park, has been dismissed, CBS New York reports.
The dismissal comes after Amy Cooper did five therapy sessions incorporating racial equity with Manhattan Justice Opportunities.
"Given the issues at hand and Ms. Cooper's lack of criminal background, we offered her, consistent with our position on many misdemeanor cases involving a first arrest, an alternative, restorative justice resolution; designed not just to punish but to educate and promote community healing," said Assistant District Attorney Joan Illuzzi. "Manhattan Justice Opportunities answered the call to assist. They engaged Ms. Cooper in a comprehensive, respectful program designed towards introspection and progress."
Illuzi said even though Christian Cooper declined to be involved, the DA still pursued the case because "we determined that the defendant's offense wasn't solely against one individual but was a threat to the community if allowed to go unchecked."
Her lawyer issued a statement praising the DA's office for its "thorough & honest inquiry" and its dismissal of the case. "Others rushed to the wrong conclusion based on inadequate investigation & they may yet face legal consequences," attorney Robert Barnes added, without specifying who he thought misjudged her actions.
The dismissal comes after Amy Cooper did five therapy sessions incorporating racial equity with Manhattan Justice Opportunities.
"Given the issues at hand and Ms. Cooper's lack of criminal background, we offered her, consistent with our position on many misdemeanor cases involving a first arrest, an alternative, restorative justice resolution; designed not just to punish but to educate and promote community healing," said Assistant District Attorney Joan Illuzzi. "Manhattan Justice Opportunities answered the call to assist. They engaged Ms. Cooper in a comprehensive, respectful program designed towards introspection and progress."
Illuzi said even though Christian Cooper declined to be involved, the DA still pursued the case because "we determined that the defendant's offense wasn't solely against one individual but was a threat to the community if allowed to go unchecked."
Her lawyer issued a statement praising the DA's office for its "thorough & honest inquiry" and its dismissal of the case. "Others rushed to the wrong conclusion based on inadequate investigation & they may yet face legal consequences," attorney Robert Barnes added, without specifying who he thought misjudged her actions.
Her lawyers might be indulging people's patience with this crap. The fact is Amy Cooper attended therapy which is no different to a first time criminal attending counselling or alcoholics anonymous for a probationary period. It's not a victory for the racists.
16 Feb 2021, 5:33 pm
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Case dismissed against woman in viral Central Park confrontation after she completes therapy sessions
Quote:
The case against Amy Cooper, the white woman who was seen on camera calling 911 and falsely accusing a Black man of threatening her in Central Park, has been dismissed, CBS New York reports.
The dismissal comes after Amy Cooper did five therapy sessions incorporating racial equity with Manhattan Justice Opportunities.
"Given the issues at hand and Ms. Cooper's lack of criminal background, we offered her, consistent with our position on many misdemeanor cases involving a first arrest, an alternative, restorative justice resolution; designed not just to punish but to educate and promote community healing," said Assistant District Attorney Joan Illuzzi. "Manhattan Justice Opportunities answered the call to assist. They engaged Ms. Cooper in a comprehensive, respectful program designed towards introspection and progress."
Illuzi said even though Christian Cooper declined to be involved, the DA still pursued the case because "we determined that the defendant's offense wasn't solely against one individual but was a threat to the community if allowed to go unchecked."
Her lawyer issued a statement praising the DA's office for its "thorough & honest inquiry" and its dismissal of the case. "Others rushed to the wrong conclusion based on inadequate investigation & they may yet face legal consequences," attorney Robert Barnes added, without specifying who he thought misjudged her actions.
The dismissal comes after Amy Cooper did five therapy sessions incorporating racial equity with Manhattan Justice Opportunities.
"Given the issues at hand and Ms. Cooper's lack of criminal background, we offered her, consistent with our position on many misdemeanor cases involving a first arrest, an alternative, restorative justice resolution; designed not just to punish but to educate and promote community healing," said Assistant District Attorney Joan Illuzzi. "Manhattan Justice Opportunities answered the call to assist. They engaged Ms. Cooper in a comprehensive, respectful program designed towards introspection and progress."
Illuzi said even though Christian Cooper declined to be involved, the DA still pursued the case because "we determined that the defendant's offense wasn't solely against one individual but was a threat to the community if allowed to go unchecked."
Her lawyer issued a statement praising the DA's office for its "thorough & honest inquiry" and its dismissal of the case. "Others rushed to the wrong conclusion based on inadequate investigation & they may yet face legal consequences," attorney Robert Barnes added, without specifying who he thought misjudged her actions.
The "Others rushed to the wrong conclusion based on inadequate investigation & they may yet face legal consequences," line certainly sounds intriguing...
It'll be interesting to see what (if anything) was referred to there. I wonder if the court documents are available to see what reason (as worded there, not paraphrased for publication in the media) was provided to the court for the case's dismissal, too, and how the court responded.
16 Feb 2021, 6:20 pm
Brictoria wrote:
The "Others rushed to the wrong conclusion based on inadequate investigation & they may yet face legal consequences," line certainly sounds intriguing...
It'll be interesting to see what (if anything) was referred to there. I wonder if the court documents are available to see what reason (as worded there, not paraphrased for publication in the media) was provided to the court for the case's dismissal, too, and how the court responded.
It'll be interesting to see what (if anything) was referred to there. I wonder if the court documents are available to see what reason (as worded there, not paraphrased for publication in the media) was provided to the court for the case's dismissal, too, and how the court responded.
The "others might face legal consequences" is what I mentioned was pushing the public's patience. It's lawyer talk where Amy Cooper's defence team is now exaggerating the damage to their client to make some extra money. The prosecution was acting within the jurisdiction of the laws that were passed by to stop people like Amy Cooper making false 911 calls.
16 Feb 2021, 6:46 pm
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Case dismissed against woman in viral Central Park confrontation after she completes therapy sessions
Quote:
The case against Amy Cooper, the white woman who was seen on camera calling 911 and falsely accusing a Black man of threatening her in Central Park, has been dismissed, CBS New York reports.
The dismissal comes after Amy Cooper did five therapy sessions incorporating racial equity with Manhattan Justice Opportunities.
"Given the issues at hand and Ms. Cooper's lack of criminal background, we offered her, consistent with our position on many misdemeanor cases involving a first arrest, an alternative, restorative justice resolution; designed not just to punish but to educate and promote community healing," said Assistant District Attorney Joan Illuzzi. "Manhattan Justice Opportunities answered the call to assist. They engaged Ms. Cooper in a comprehensive, respectful program designed towards introspection and progress."
Illuzi said even though Christian Cooper declined to be involved, the DA still pursued the case because "we determined that the defendant's offense wasn't solely against one individual but was a threat to the community if allowed to go unchecked."
Her lawyer issued a statement praising the DA's office for its "thorough & honest inquiry" and its dismissal of the case. "Others rushed to the wrong conclusion based on inadequate investigation & they may yet face legal consequences," attorney Robert Barnes added, without specifying who he thought misjudged her actions.
The dismissal comes after Amy Cooper did five therapy sessions incorporating racial equity with Manhattan Justice Opportunities.
"Given the issues at hand and Ms. Cooper's lack of criminal background, we offered her, consistent with our position on many misdemeanor cases involving a first arrest, an alternative, restorative justice resolution; designed not just to punish but to educate and promote community healing," said Assistant District Attorney Joan Illuzzi. "Manhattan Justice Opportunities answered the call to assist. They engaged Ms. Cooper in a comprehensive, respectful program designed towards introspection and progress."
Illuzi said even though Christian Cooper declined to be involved, the DA still pursued the case because "we determined that the defendant's offense wasn't solely against one individual but was a threat to the community if allowed to go unchecked."
Her lawyer issued a statement praising the DA's office for its "thorough & honest inquiry" and its dismissal of the case. "Others rushed to the wrong conclusion based on inadequate investigation & they may yet face legal consequences," attorney Robert Barnes added, without specifying who he thought misjudged her actions.
I am confused. How can it be legally called "case was dropped" if she actually served the punishment (the punishment being the therapy)? Its like saying "the case was dropped because such and such has already served the prison sentence" or "the case is dropped because, instead of going to prison, such and such has paid the fine instead".
I realize that therapy is not really a punishment since it doesn't hurt the person. But from the legal standpoint it is, no?
16 Feb 2021, 6:48 pm
cyberdad wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
The "Others rushed to the wrong conclusion based on inadequate investigation & they may yet face legal consequences," line certainly sounds intriguing...
It'll be interesting to see what (if anything) was referred to there. I wonder if the court documents are available to see what reason (as worded there, not paraphrased for publication in the media) was provided to the court for the case's dismissal, too, and how the court responded.
It'll be interesting to see what (if anything) was referred to there. I wonder if the court documents are available to see what reason (as worded there, not paraphrased for publication in the media) was provided to the court for the case's dismissal, too, and how the court responded.
The "others might face legal consequences" is what I mentioned was pushing the public's patience. It's lawyer talk where Amy Cooper's defence team is now exaggerating the damage to their client to make some extra money. The prosecution was acting within the jurisdiction of the laws that were passed by to stop people like Amy Cooper making false 911 calls.
Or maybe the "others" being referred to are those who accused her of being a racist solely due to the skin colour of the people involved, not waiting for any investigation to take place to determine the reason behind her words\actions...
It's interesting, too, that somene losing their job, income, and having received the public attacks as occurred in this situation is considered to be "exaggerating the damage to their client to make some extra money", rather than simply seeking compensation for loss of income, defamation, etc.
16 Feb 2021, 6:55 pm
QFT wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Case dismissed against woman in viral Central Park confrontation after she completes therapy sessions
Quote:
The case against Amy Cooper, the white woman who was seen on camera calling 911 and falsely accusing a Black man of threatening her in Central Park, has been dismissed, CBS New York reports.
The dismissal comes after Amy Cooper did five therapy sessions incorporating racial equity with Manhattan Justice Opportunities.
"Given the issues at hand and Ms. Cooper's lack of criminal background, we offered her, consistent with our position on many misdemeanor cases involving a first arrest, an alternative, restorative justice resolution; designed not just to punish but to educate and promote community healing," said Assistant District Attorney Joan Illuzzi. "Manhattan Justice Opportunities answered the call to assist. They engaged Ms. Cooper in a comprehensive, respectful program designed towards introspection and progress."
Illuzi said even though Christian Cooper declined to be involved, the DA still pursued the case because "we determined that the defendant's offense wasn't solely against one individual but was a threat to the community if allowed to go unchecked."
Her lawyer issued a statement praising the DA's office for its "thorough & honest inquiry" and its dismissal of the case. "Others rushed to the wrong conclusion based on inadequate investigation & they may yet face legal consequences," attorney Robert Barnes added, without specifying who he thought misjudged her actions.
The dismissal comes after Amy Cooper did five therapy sessions incorporating racial equity with Manhattan Justice Opportunities.
"Given the issues at hand and Ms. Cooper's lack of criminal background, we offered her, consistent with our position on many misdemeanor cases involving a first arrest, an alternative, restorative justice resolution; designed not just to punish but to educate and promote community healing," said Assistant District Attorney Joan Illuzzi. "Manhattan Justice Opportunities answered the call to assist. They engaged Ms. Cooper in a comprehensive, respectful program designed towards introspection and progress."
Illuzi said even though Christian Cooper declined to be involved, the DA still pursued the case because "we determined that the defendant's offense wasn't solely against one individual but was a threat to the community if allowed to go unchecked."
Her lawyer issued a statement praising the DA's office for its "thorough & honest inquiry" and its dismissal of the case. "Others rushed to the wrong conclusion based on inadequate investigation & they may yet face legal consequences," attorney Robert Barnes added, without specifying who he thought misjudged her actions.
I am confused. How can it be legally called "case was dropped" if she actually served the punishment (the punishment being the therapy)? Its like saying "the case was dropped because such and such has already served the prison sentence" or "the case is dropped because, instead of going to prison, such and such has paid the fine instead".
I realize that therapy is not really a punishment since it doesn't hurt the person. But from the legal standpoint it is, no?
There may have been some agreement between the parties that should she do the courses, the case would be dropped, she may have voluntarily taken the courses as a demonstration of good faith, etc.. Similarly, the case may have been dropped through insufficient\no evidence to support the charge and the fact that the course was taken was simply used as cover for this.
I'm interested to see the court documents (should they be available) to work out what occurred here, rather than seeing what a 3rd party to this wants people to know, and what they left out.
17 Feb 2021, 12:51 am
Brictoria wrote:
It's interesting, too, that somene losing their job, income, and having received the public attacks as occurred in this situation is considered to be "exaggerating the damage to their client to make some extra money", rather than simply seeking compensation for loss of income, defamation, etc.
I assume you are referring to the case being dropped as a segway for the accused to launch legal action over said loss of income and defamation,
Wouldn't the fact that i) Christian Cooper's desire not to seek damages against her and ii) her agreement to attend therapy be grounds to dismiss such a spurious attempt for compensation?
I assume the prosecution and members of the media and local government who were involved in reporting, writing laws and executing the case are not subject to defamation. I did not see the same type of hasty reporting as was done againt Nicholas Sandmann in the Covington incident. However it would not surprise me if this avenue was pursued.
Third her employer's decision to sack her is not unlike Disney's decision to remove Gina Carano. The employer had sufficient grounds and its extremely unlikely She would ever get re-employed or receive compensation from the employer for unfair dismissal.
Last edited by cyberdad on 17 Feb 2021, 12:54 am, edited 1 time in total.
17 Feb 2021, 12:53 am
QFT wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Case dismissed against woman in viral Central Park confrontation after she completes therapy sessions
Quote:
The case against Amy Cooper, the white woman who was seen on camera calling 911 and falsely accusing a Black man of threatening her in Central Park, has been dismissed, CBS New York reports.
The dismissal comes after Amy Cooper did five therapy sessions incorporating racial equity with Manhattan Justice Opportunities.
"Given the issues at hand and Ms. Cooper's lack of criminal background, we offered her, consistent with our position on many misdemeanor cases involving a first arrest, an alternative, restorative justice resolution; designed not just to punish but to educate and promote community healing," said Assistant District Attorney Joan Illuzzi. "Manhattan Justice Opportunities answered the call to assist. They engaged Ms. Cooper in a comprehensive, respectful program designed towards introspection and progress."
Illuzi said even though Christian Cooper declined to be involved, the DA still pursued the case because "we determined that the defendant's offense wasn't solely against one individual but was a threat to the community if allowed to go unchecked."
Her lawyer issued a statement praising the DA's office for its "thorough & honest inquiry" and its dismissal of the case. "Others rushed to the wrong conclusion based on inadequate investigation & they may yet face legal consequences," attorney Robert Barnes added, without specifying who he thought misjudged her actions.
The dismissal comes after Amy Cooper did five therapy sessions incorporating racial equity with Manhattan Justice Opportunities.
"Given the issues at hand and Ms. Cooper's lack of criminal background, we offered her, consistent with our position on many misdemeanor cases involving a first arrest, an alternative, restorative justice resolution; designed not just to punish but to educate and promote community healing," said Assistant District Attorney Joan Illuzzi. "Manhattan Justice Opportunities answered the call to assist. They engaged Ms. Cooper in a comprehensive, respectful program designed towards introspection and progress."
Illuzi said even though Christian Cooper declined to be involved, the DA still pursued the case because "we determined that the defendant's offense wasn't solely against one individual but was a threat to the community if allowed to go unchecked."
Her lawyer issued a statement praising the DA's office for its "thorough & honest inquiry" and its dismissal of the case. "Others rushed to the wrong conclusion based on inadequate investigation & they may yet face legal consequences," attorney Robert Barnes added, without specifying who he thought misjudged her actions.
I am confused. How can it be legally called "case was dropped" if she actually served the punishment (the punishment being the therapy)? Its like saying "the case was dropped because such and such has already served the prison sentence" or "the case is dropped because, instead of going to prison, such and such has paid the fine instead".
I realize that therapy is not really a punishment since it doesn't hurt the person. But from the legal standpoint it is, no?
There will be no conviction, so no criminal record.
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