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03 Jun 2020, 12:26 am

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Hard to achieve greatness when so many are working so hard to tear the nation down.


Who's trying to tear the nation down? Just because people think things should be different hardly means they want to destroy America.


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03 Jun 2020, 12:29 am

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What would Trump say is his biggest achievement while being President? (I am not in the u.s so only see some headlines)

He will be proud of
Having achieved great work, tremendous achievements, despite Obamagate, and being fully exonerated from the crimes the corrupt democrats were accusing him of .


Obamagate is non-existent.
Name what he's achieved.
trump was only exconerated because the senate Republicans feared a backlash from the Trump cult, and thus ignored legitimate evidence.


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03 Jun 2020, 3:23 am

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Hard to achieve greatness when so many are working so hard to tear the nation down.

So, you believe Mr T does not contribute to tearing the nation down when he blames the liberals for everynthing bad that happens and repetitively calls for using force against them?


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03 Jun 2020, 3:49 am

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Hard to achieve greatness when so many are working so hard to tear the nation down.

So, you believe Mr T does not contribute to tearing the nation down when he blames the liberals for everynthing bad that happens and repetitively calls for using force against them?

Liberals blame home for everything and hate everything he does even if they supported the thing he does yesterday.
Obama blamed bush for anything bad that happen during his 8 years. If it was good obama did it and if it was bad it’s bushes fault.

But trump doesn’t blame the liberals for everything I mean trump was a liberal up until he had to run as Republican and still has many liberal mindsets. He was friends wirh Biden, Clinton etc until he ran.he donated to democrats. I don’t beleive he was a New York liberal democrat for his until life then one day snapped and became a Republican. It’s why Republican politicians don’t like him much besides he won president as a Republican.

Mean if a ted Cruz ran for president tomorrow as a democrat would you say he’s a democrat?


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03 Jun 2020, 3:59 am

I'm talking about the "Liberate <state>!" tweets during COVID lockdowns.
I'm talking about "If a city or a state refuses to take the actions that are necessary...then I will deploy the US military" about current rallies.
It's short from calling for a civil war!

Yes, the other side contributes to tearing the nation apart, too. But now he's the leader.


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03 Jun 2020, 4:24 am

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I'm talking about the "Liberate <state>!" tweets during COVID lockdowns.
I'm talking about "If a city or a state refuses to take the actions that are necessary...then I will deploy the US military" about current rallies.
It's short from calling for a civil war!

Yes, the other side contributes to tearing the nation apart, too. But now he's the leader.

You’d rather see whole cities burn down?

Deploying the military to stop violent riots shouldn’t start a civil war. Unless the people saying the don’t support riots actual do.
I don’t see these riots any different then the riots that happen during Katrina or other natural disasters and the military is always deployed to stop those.
In fact the left didn’t seem to mind when the military was taking gun owners guns away in Katrina at the order of democrat mayor. Most never got them back.
Mean they had the military go door to door taking guns, before they even bothered to stop the rioting.
That’s not this. Anyways most states have deployed their national guard and peace is returning. Others haven’t and still have rioting.

If groups we’re burning down cities in Poland I’d bet you’d be glad yiur government deployed their military to stop it.


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03 Jun 2020, 4:28 am

Ask yourself would you be against it if it was obama or Biden doing it.
I don’t think a lot of people can honestly answer that. They too biased to their party.

I hate my governor, I want her removed from office, but I mostLy approve of her handling of covid 19. Now if I was like most people I’d rallied against the lockdowns, masks, stay at home, social distancing, all cause she was supporting it. But I didn’t cause I’m not. If Obama was saying he’d send the military in to end the riots I’d support that.
If it was republicans letting cities burn I’d be just as angry. If it was pro 2a protests throwing things at cops and burning buildings I’d be condemning it as I do the Blm protests.

I think a lot of people are against anything trump supports simple cause they hate trump.
I’ve seen people who praised obama for doing something attack trump for doing the same thing. And dollar for dollar they praise the next democrat president for doing the same thing too.
People hated bush just the same they hate trump I’d bet they also hated regan same too.
It goes other way too.


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03 Jun 2020, 4:33 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
shlaifu wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
What would Trump say is his biggest achievement while being President? (I am not in the u.s so only see some headlines)

He will be proud of
Having achieved great work, tremendous achievements, despite Obamagate, and being fully exonerated from the crimes the corrupt democrats were accusing him of .


Obamagate is non-existent.
Name what he's achieved.
trump was only exconerated because the senate Republicans feared a backlash from the Trump cult, and thus ignored legitimate evidence.


The question was what *he* will be proud of, not what I think his greatest achievement was.
So I did my best to formulate a big, defensive and evasive nothing-burger, just like he would do when put on the spot.

So, I guess to name some achievements:
- go ask China
- people are saying great things
- a lot, you will hear about it
- but not from the fake news media, like the one you're reading
- it's been tremendous


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03 Jun 2020, 4:37 am

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Ask yourself would you be against it if it was obama or Biden doing it.

Yes, I would. I wasn't a big fan of Obama and I'm even less of a fan of Biden. I think Cuomo screwed up COVID response and it's low of him that he's trying to blame Trump. But what I quoted is so short-sighted that I can't help but laugh and cry.

If there were large scale protests in my country and some of them were going violent, I would analyse what patterns coincide with the protests remaining peaceful and I would do anything I could to de-escalate the situation. Make the protesting people feel they are heard but not allowed to go violent.
In some places cops succeed to do it:
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-ca ... l-protests
This is the way to go.


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03 Jun 2020, 7:58 am

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Dear MAGA,

Have you made America great again yet?

Your lack of an answer shows that (1) you are too honest to lie, and (2) you are too embarrassed to tell the truth.

In either case, when are you going to start?

Sincerely,

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03 Jun 2020, 9:32 am

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I think the OP summed things up pretty well. He's always thorough and never posts without double checking.

#I'm not American either but have been watching the show from the sidelines, armed with plenty of well salted popcorn. Is this divided America of June 2020 really what the MAGAs wanted?


He may be "Thorough", but his first one was a doozie.
A couple of people hid under the bed and thought WWIII was imminently upon them.
I just laughed.
And I am still laughing. HA! :mrgreen:

NO party wanted to take it further.
WWIII was *never* going to happen. :wink:



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03 Jun 2020, 9:34 am

Fnord wrote:
(Day Three)

Dear MAGA,

Have you made America great again yet?

Your lack of an answer shows that (1) you are too honest to lie, and (2) you are too embarrassed to tell the truth.

In either case, when are you going to start?

Sincerely,

Fnord


It's enlightening that you would wait until external events (and orchestrated internal events) have reversed what had occurred in the previous 3 years before asking...How about asking the same question, using December last year as the point in time to which you are referring?

Of course, using selective baselines to suit a given narative, some could claim that at least Obama finally managed to bring about the "hope and change" he had promised - in the 2016 electoral college results.



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03 Jun 2020, 4:10 pm

Fnord wrote:
Have you made America great again yet?

MAGA was always about socialist "pro worker" economics ...

In 2018 Trump established the National Council for the American Worker

Interference and Bailouts:
-Coal miners: Trump reversed coal and car emission standards
-Farmers: multiple bailouts
-Steel & Aluminum workers - tariffs on Chinese steel and aluminum imports
-Trade Unions: - Trans-Pacific Partnership ended, "Pro America" NAFTA re-written, Phase 1 "Pro America" Chinese deal
-Trade Unions: tariffs on billions of dollars of various imports
-Labor Groups: - job immigration curtailed, the WALL, immigrant deportations, more ICE raids on employers
-Oil workers: various federal bailout proposed
-Stimulus: trillions of dollars in handouts to industries (bailout everyone)

Did leftist economics make America great again? No.


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03 Jun 2020, 4:29 pm

Fnord wrote:
(Day Three)

Dear MAGA,

Have you made America great again yet?

Your lack of an answer shows that (1) you are too honest to lie, and (2) you are too embarrassed to tell the truth.

In either case, when are you going to start?

Sincerely,

Fnord


The answer so far appears to be "No! Of course not! But it's the liberals' fault!!"

Let's ignore that Republicans controlled all branches of government in 2016 and proceeded to get nothing done except giving the rich more money and making excuses for the Most Thin-Skinned Man in America.

I had a feeling going into this year that Republicans' overemphasis on economic growth under Trump would not work out in their favor. My rationale back then was that most of that growth has gone to the wealthy and people know that--not to mention that an economic downturn could undo whatever "gains" had been made in the last four years. And here we are. Economic crisis, public health crisis, and civil unrest. Trump has made each of these worse.


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03 Jun 2020, 4:30 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Hard to achieve greatness when so many are working so hard to tear the nation down.


Who's trying to tear the nation down? Just because people think things should be different hardly means they want to destroy America.


If anything perhaps the police/military industrial complex. Did you know U.S police get training for Isreali military? Apparently there are even reports that some of the 'training' could be deigned to escalate situations rather than de-escalate them.

Scary stuff, because that means the tear gas and the rubber bullets aren't really a reaction to protests getting out of hand, its designed to create more stress and anger and create chaos so people are more likely to get confrontational. So like they may intentionally be trying to make the protests escalate into violence...so they can then respond with more brutality. And considering the err international concern about Israel and human rights violations perhaps its not a good thing for our police here to be getting training from their military.

Don't take my word for it though...look it up, BBC and Aljazeera English have some info in regards.


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03 Jun 2020, 4:39 pm

Has anyone else seen the police attacking looters? I've only seen them beat the s**t out of protesters, probably because they like soft targets. Cowards!


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