The WOKE Generation!

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I’m anti-racist, anti-discrimination, pro Green, mostly. Progressive in many aspects.

But I don’t subscribe to at least part of the “Woke” ideology as manifested in the 2020s.

Last edited by kraftiekortie on 22 Dec 2022, 7:44 am, edited 1 time in total.

That sucks.

I love the song. A coworker turned me on to it. Its about a dysfunctional hetero couple who manage to iron things out for Xmas...like Gleason's Honeymooners.

The couple exchange epithets during one verse, and the gal calls him a 'fa***t'. One microscopic detail. There something in the song to offend EVERYone. So... it all cancels out, and you're too busy laughing to be offended anyway. And its hardly noticeable. The fact that at one point in the story they watch '"he New York City Police Dept. quire singing on Christmas Day" stands out as a problem more because...there is no such thing as the NYC PD quire.

Yeah Google that and all that comes back are references to that song.

Personally, I've never heard that song but quite honestly I do in fact think it highly offensive to call somebody a fa***t. So it could trigger someone with no feeling of nostalgia for the song. It seems to me that Britain has a long tradition of tolerating offensive language more so than North America. I'll have to give the song a listen.

Of course then you have Let It Snow which has been denounced as a celebration of sexual harassment. I say nonsense to that.

I would be highly surprised if using that word meant it couldn't be heard on the radio here. That word isn't used as an insult here, and in fact a type of meatbal here are called faggotts that you can commonly find in supermarkets

And they say British cuisine is dull!

Me too, I hate bigotry and discrimination, but I also hate over the top political correctness too.

I understand the word "fa***t" being offensive to gay people but couldn't they just censor the word out of the song?


I am a huge animal supporter and I wish there was activism against killing rats. Yes rats are pests and sometimes carry disease but I wish they'd make inhumane rat traps and poison illegal and invent stuff that will deter them instead. Animals have the right to live on this planet just as much as we do. What makes humans more superior and important than animals? I sometimes lay awake at night grieving over all the animals all over the world that are being inhumanely tortured by humans.
I don't believe humans are destroying the planet though. What we're doing is destroying the lives of animals and ourselves. Earth will still be here long after humans. Even when the astroid hit and killed all the dinosaurs, the planet and its beauty still remained.

I don't agree with forcing everyone to have electric cars to "save the planet", not after a bus depot containing electric buses blew up just because one of the buses on charge was faulty (unbeknownst to the workers). It caused the other buses to blow up too and all that plume going off into the air is probably more damaging to the environment than anything else. So this enforcement on electric cars seems like another propaganda thing to me.

Last edited by Joe90 on 22 Dec 2022, 8:28 am, edited 1 time in total.

they are actually really tasty! just a pork meatball

I assume you're a Brit.

Yeah... in the UK a 'fag' is a cigarette. It doesnt mean 'male homosexual'. And a 'fa***t' is a type of meatball. Fifty years ago the word 'fa***t' even occasionally turned up in American advertising to mean the food as well. Briefly. Before the nasty meaning completely drowned that out.

Originally the word "fa***t" meant "a tied-up bundle of sticks you gathered for kindling". And it's easy to see how 'sticks you planned to set on fire' could evolve into the modern British slang for 'cigarette'. But how it got to be a pejorative for 'homosexual man' in the US is not so obvious.

just read up the story. The song was not taken off the radio. in 2019 One BBC DJ decided to start using an alternative version which had that word taken out.

"In a statement, a BBC spokesperson said: “This was Alex’s decision. There is no ban"

yeah, growing up here I was a teen/20's smoker and people only called cigarettes 'fags'. I had never even heard that there was an alternative meaning to the word elsewhere in the world until I think I was into my 30's

Brings up an interesting areas where the world is much more connected now and lines are blurred but a word can mean 2 very different things in different parts of the world

"Fag" is a great term for "cigarette".

I wish we Americans would conform to the British usage, and not the other way around. For some reason you cant say the word without putting a little ...snear of contempt into your voice. And cigarettes actually deserve that contempt (as well not being humans with feelings). Lol!

I suggest you tell the "zoomers" around the world not to embrace the concept of "Collective Guilt".
It is against WP rulz.

“FairyTale of New York” came out in the 80s the same decade as Dire Straits “Money for Nothing” in which the word “fa***t” was used several times. It got to number 1 in America. MTV and radio played the full song. The song is still aired but the slur been erased.

In 2017 before “Ok Boomer” became I started a thread addressing this topic. I posted a few articles that ripped into the baby boom generation. What I wrote at the time was “ What it does say is the chickens do come home to roost. It was the boomers who said do not trust anybody over thirty, their parent's music and lifestyle were "square" and they have spent a lot of time and money trying to avoid the inevitable. Not fun being on the other side of it is it? Not a surprising result. The net is dominated by Millennials based on technology invented by boomers.

But is it true? As in most of these situations yes and no.

The boomers certainly have never really let the bitter divisions of the 60's go and that has and still is infecting American politics. But one is judged on what you do with what is given to you. Millennials were given a bad political and economic climate true, but MRA, Alt Right, SJW, Antifa, those are not boomer phenomena.

The other charge is that selfish boomers ruined the economy. Well, selfish elitist boomers certainly destroyed a great thing, but most boomers were victims of them more than the cause.

Another charge is that workaholic individualist boomers destroyed family life. Well, some of it was the thing we called "women's liberation" or that dirty word "feminism". Do you all really want to go back to the 50's when if you still single at 30 you were viewed as mentally ill and if you were female you were an "old maid"? Do not think so. Boomers changed that. Well, some did, mostly we were workaholics because we had to be due to the changing economy caused by the elite boomers.

And if need to get away from it all and listen to some music which generation had it better is debatable because everything is, it is but not much of a debate.”

In hindsight ignoring Gen Z was a huge error. Between the gender identities, the mass climate change, gun control, and BLM marches Gen Z is more radical then the boomers were in the 60s.. But otherwise I would not change anything I wrote.

Honestly, I feel that some Boomers were actually at least as radical as some Zoomers.

1968 was a crisis year, rather like 2021 was a crisis year. People were scared about "the s--- hitting the fan" in 1968, perhaps even more than the prevailing feeling today. Two very prominent people were assassinated that year: Robert F. Kennedy, and Martin Luther King.

King, arguably, was more prominent than Kennedy. There are now many streets, avenues and Boulevards named after him. There is not one place in the US, with over 50,000 people, that doesn't have a Martin Luther King something.

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