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29 Jan 2023, 4:23 pm

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Elmer Fudd has made a big change for the newest series of "Looney Tunes" cartoons. The iconic character will no longer use a gun, according to the people behind the show. [The show apparently doesn't want to be associated with gun violence.]


Elmer Fudd was originally Black.


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30 Jan 2023, 2:42 am

Honey69 wrote:
jimmy m wrote:
Elmer Fudd has made a big change for the newest series of "Looney Tunes" cartoons. The iconic character will no longer use a gun, according to the people behind the show. [The show apparently doesn't want to be associated with gun violence.]


Elmer Fudd was originally Black.


Yes because the original caricature was of a black hunter hunting rabbits mean't to denigrate blacks (as usual) back in the 1940s. The character was so popular that the Looney tunes writers decided to rehabilitate the "creature" so he became a loveable Elmer Fudd and so was magically whitewashed.

Intergenerational racism is so pervasive that white Americans have no idea how much of this crap they absorb from the time they are small children.



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11 Feb 2023, 5:36 pm

Students at 'Anti-Black Oppression' Seminar Stage Mutiny Against 'Racist' Black Professor

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Vincent Lloyd, professor director of Africana Studies at Villanova University and author of Break Every Yoke: Religion, Justice, and the Abolition of Prisons, wrote an essay about his experience as "a black professor trapped in anti-racist hell."

• In the summer of 2022, Lloyd attempted to conduct a six-week seminar for gifted high-school students titled, "Race and the Limits of Law in America," on behalf of the prestigious Telluride Association. Four weeks would be devoted to "anti-black racism," with the other two focusing on "anti-immigrant and anti-indigenous racism."

• Lloyd describes his anti-racist credentials as follows: "I am a black professor, I directed my university’s black-studies program, I lead anti-racism and transformative-justice workshops, and I have published books on anti-black racism and prison abolition. I live in a predominantly black neighborhood of Philadelphia, my daughter went to an Afrocentric school, and I am on the board of our local black cultural organization."

• The racially diverse group of 12 students lived together and practiced "democratic self-governance" to create and live by their own rules during the course of the seminar.

• The seminar was hijacked by a young woman he refers to as "Keisha"—a recent Ivy League grad "mentored by a television-celebrity black intellectual"—who was tasked with leading "anti-racism workshops" in the afternoons. Lloyd described how the students were molded into an anti-racism "cult" with Keisha as its leader.

• When an Asian-American student stated a fact—almost 60 percent of federal inmates are white—during a discussion about incarceration, the group subsequently voted to expel that student. "The black students said they were harmed," Lloyd writes. "They had learned, in one of their workshops, that objective facts are a tool of white supremacy."

• Another Asian-American student was also expelled for reasons Keisha refused to share with Lloyd.

• Lloyd writes: "[A]fter a week focused on the horrific violence, death, and dispossession inflicted on Native Americans, Keisha reported to me that the black students and their allies were harmed because we hadn't focused sufficiently on anti-blackness."

• Four weeks into the seminar, Keisha and the remaining students staged an intervention. They accused Lloyd of using "racist language," of misgendering Brittney Griner, of confusing the names of two black students, of harming them with his body language, of not challenging the prison statistic and other "harmful" "facts," and encouraging students to "think about the reasoning of both sides of an argument, when only one side was correct."

The seminar was canceled.


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11 Feb 2023, 7:17 pm

They accused Lloyd of using "racist language," of misgendering Brittney Griner, of confusing the names of two black students,

Well the good professor is clearly not woke :lol:

Actually the exercise he conducted with the students is intellectually stimulating but the professor is unfortunately a victim of bias himself. All academics in the arts need to check their own bias (not just white ones)

Oh, and the Asian student who thought he was being smart.
% of americans who are white = 75.8%
% if white americans who are incarcerated = 60%
It means whites are not incarcerated at the same rates as black people

Perhaps he should stick to focusing on Med school or engineering



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11 Feb 2023, 9:20 pm

Honey69 wrote:
jimmy m wrote:
Elmer Fudd has made a big change for the newest series of "Looney Tunes" cartoons. The iconic character will no longer use a gun, according to the people behind the show. [The show apparently doesn't want to be associated with gun violence.]


Elmer Fudd was originally Black.


Wasn't humanity "Black" in its entirety, in the beginning? :scratch:



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11 Feb 2023, 9:25 pm

Pepe wrote:
Honey69 wrote:
jimmy m wrote:
Elmer Fudd has made a big change for the newest series of "Looney Tunes" cartoons. The iconic character will no longer use a gun, according to the people behind the show. [The show apparently doesn't want to be associated with gun violence.]


Elmer Fudd was originally Black.


Wasn't humanity "Black" in its entirety, in the beginning? :scratch:

Neanderthals weren't black. Europeans carry more neanderthal genetic composition.


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11 Feb 2023, 9:26 pm

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Remember Communism?  Remember why it failed?  One of its foundational principles was that human greed and the other "Deadly Sins" could be forcibly evolved out of the human spirit within a generation.  This was proven to not be true.

"Social Justice" is facing the same barrier -- Human Nature. It is human nature to separate "Us" from "Them", especially by exaggerating the flaws in "Them" while diminishing the same flaws in "Us".  You cannot remove this nature by marching, rioting, or passing legislation; it can only be suppressed one person at a time, and only if that one person is both willing and able to suppress it.

But it will always be there -- it's just human nature.


if that's human nature, how do we create an ideal society? or will utopia always be just that; no place?


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11 Feb 2023, 9:32 pm

cyberdad wrote:
Honey69 wrote:
jimmy m wrote:
Elmer Fudd has made a big change for the newest series of "Looney Tunes" cartoons. The iconic character will no longer use a gun, according to the people behind the show. [The show apparently doesn't want to be associated with gun violence.]


Elmer Fudd was originally Black.


Yes because the original caricature was of a black hunter hunting rabbits mean't to denigrate blacks (as usual) back in the 1940s. The character was so popular that the Looney tunes writers decided to rehabilitate the "creature" so he became a loveable Elmer Fudd and so was magically whitewashed.


I know nothing about this subject, but isn't it simply your speculation that "denigrating backs" was the reason?
Why wouldn't you consider it a case of "Inclusiveness"?
It is also possible that Elmer's colour change was due to concerns about the potential perceived racism, would it not?

If you have relevant information, could you present a link?

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Intergenerational racism is so pervasive that white Americans have no idea how much of this crap they absorb from the time they are small children.


Yep, no disagreement there.
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THAT is why ALL childhood indoctrination should be disallowed at skools, woke brainwashing included.

IMO, skools should be politics-free, period. 8)



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11 Feb 2023, 10:21 pm

Oh the truth is much worse than you think

When the character belonged to Disney he was called "Bosko" a minstrel parody which made fun of black tropes and Disney called him a "negro boy". The Bosko character was extremely popular. Disney transformed the character from a black man to a mouse which evolved into Mickey Mouse.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosko

When the original cartoonist Schlesinger left Disney and joined Warner Brothers he created the famous Looney Tunes. Again due his creation Bosko's original popularity he also continued with the character.
Here's Bosko in Looney tunes


But again due to Bosko's popularity Schlesinger was asked to "rehabilitate" the character but instead of a mouse which is what Disney changed Bosko into, Looney tunes created the loveable "white" Elmber Fudd. You can plainly see how Elmer was based on Bosko.



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12 Feb 2023, 4:04 am

cyberdad wrote:
Oh the truth is much worse than you think

When the character belonged to Disney he was called "Bosko" a minstrel parody which made fun of black tropes and Disney called him a "negro boy". The Bosko character was extremely popular. Disney transformed the character from a black man to a mouse which evolved into Mickey Mouse.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosko

When the original cartoonist Schlesinger left Disney and joined Warner Brothers he created the famous Looney Tunes. Again due his creation Bosko's original popularity he also continued with the character.
Here's Bosko in Looney tunes

But again due to Bosko's popularity Schlesinger was asked to "rehabilitate" the character but instead of a mouse which is what Disney changed Bosko into, Looney tunes created the loveable "white" Elmber Fudd. You can plainly see how Elmer was based on Bosko.


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According to Terry Lindvall and Ben Fraser, Bosko and Honey "were the most balanced portrayals of blacks in cartoons to that point". They had the same type of formulaic coy adventures as Mickey and Minnie Mouse. They point to Bosko in Person (1933) where Honey gives a Billie Holiday-style performance as an example of nonracist racial tribute to a real person.[6] According to Tom Bertino, Harman and Ising never called attention to Bosko's racial status, and stayed clear of negative stereotypes involving dice and watermelon.[6] Bosko instead received positive portrayals as a spunky and resourceful boy.[6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosko



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12 Feb 2023, 4:11 am

Readydaer wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Remember Communism?  Remember why it failed?  One of its foundational principles was that human greed and the other "Deadly Sins" could be forcibly evolved out of the human spirit within a generation.  This was proven to not be true.

"Social Justice" is facing the same barrier -- Human Nature. It is human nature to separate "Us" from "Them", especially by exaggerating the flaws in "Them" while diminishing the same flaws in "Us".  You cannot remove this nature by marching, rioting, or passing legislation; it can only be suppressed one person at a time, and only if that one person is both willing and able to suppress it.

But it will always be there -- it's just human nature.


if that's human nature, how do we create an ideal society? or will utopia always be just that; no place?


There is no ideal society. There is no ideal individual either.



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12 Feb 2023, 4:34 am

Dengashinobi wrote:
Readydaer wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Remember Communism?  Remember why it failed?  One of its foundational principles was that human greed and the other "Deadly Sins" could be forcibly evolved out of the human spirit within a generation.  This was proven to not be true.

"Social Justice" is facing the same barrier -- Human Nature. It is human nature to separate "Us" from "Them", especially by exaggerating the flaws in "Them" while diminishing the same flaws in "Us".  You cannot remove this nature by marching, rioting, or passing legislation; it can only be suppressed one person at a time, and only if that one person is both willing and able to suppress it.

But it will always be there -- it's just human nature.


if that's human nature, how do we create an ideal society? or will utopia always be just that; no place?


There is no ideal society. There is no ideal individual either.


There is, however, a skunk extraordinaire. 8)



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13 Feb 2023, 1:52 am

Pepe wrote:
Interesting:
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According to Terry Lindvall and Ben Fraser, Bosko and Honey "were the most balanced portrayals of blacks in cartoons to that point". They had the same type of formulaic coy adventures as Mickey and Minnie Mouse. They point to Bosko in Person (1933) where Honey gives a Billie Holiday-style performance as an example of nonracist racial tribute to a real person.[6] According to Tom Bertino, Harman and Ising never called attention to Bosko's racial status, and stayed clear of negative stereotypes involving dice and watermelon.[6] Bosko instead received positive portrayals as a spunky and resourceful boy.[6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosko


You might have missed this entry in the same article you posted
Hugh Harman made drawings of the new character and registered it with the copyright office on January 3, 1928. The character was registered as a "Negro boy" under the name of Bosko



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13 Feb 2023, 4:05 am

cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Interesting:
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According to Terry Lindvall and Ben Fraser, Bosko and Honey "were the most balanced portrayals of blacks in cartoons to that point". They had the same type of formulaic coy adventures as Mickey and Minnie Mouse. They point to Bosko in Person (1933) where Honey gives a Billie Holiday-style performance as an example of nonracist racial tribute to a real person.[6] According to Tom Bertino, Harman and Ising never called attention to Bosko's racial status, and stayed clear of negative stereotypes involving dice and watermelon.[6] Bosko instead received positive portrayals as a spunky and resourceful boy.[6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosko


You might have missed this entry in the same article you posted
Hugh Harman made drawings of the new character and registered it with the copyright office on January 3, 1928. The character was registered as a "Negro boy" under the name of Bosko


I don't see how what you underline and what Pepe quoted contradict each other.



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13 Feb 2023, 4:35 am

cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Interesting:
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According to Terry Lindvall and Ben Fraser, Bosko and Honey "were the most balanced portrayals of blacks in cartoons to that point". They had the same type of formulaic coy adventures as Mickey and Minnie Mouse. They point to Bosko in Person (1933) where Honey gives a Billie Holiday-style performance as an example of nonracist racial tribute to a real person.[6] According to Tom Bertino, Harman and Ising never called attention to Bosko's racial status, and stayed clear of negative stereotypes involving dice and watermelon.[6] Bosko instead received positive portrayals as a spunky and resourceful boy.[6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosko


You might have missed this entry in the same article you posted
Hugh Harman made drawings of the new character and registered it with the copyright office on January 3, 1928. The character was registered as a "Negro boy" under the name of Bosko


I was under the impression the word "Negro" didn't always have the bad connotation it does now.



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13 Feb 2023, 4:37 am

Dengashinobi wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Interesting:
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According to Terry Lindvall and Ben Fraser, Bosko and Honey "were the most balanced portrayals of blacks in cartoons to that point". They had the same type of formulaic coy adventures as Mickey and Minnie Mouse. They point to Bosko in Person (1933) where Honey gives a Billie Holiday-style performance as an example of nonracist racial tribute to a real person.[6] According to Tom Bertino, Harman and Ising never called attention to Bosko's racial status, and stayed clear of negative stereotypes involving dice and watermelon.[6] Bosko instead received positive portrayals as a spunky and resourceful boy.[6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosko


You might have missed this entry in the same article you posted
Hugh Harman made drawings of the new character and registered it with the copyright office on January 3, 1928. The character was registered as a "Negro boy" under the name of Bosko


I don't see how what you underline and what Pepe quoted contradict each other.


cyberdad is always on the hunt for political incorrectness. :mrgreen: