Submissive Women?

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The Alpha male would have the first pick.
I'm sure his DNA would have a greater influence, in the group.

"First in,
Best dressed."

I have to disagree with you, my friend.
NT humans are more instinctual than you may think.



Will too. <pout>

So I personally attack users in Russia then “translate” it to be something else and skirt the rules?

I think subtle stuff also gets lost in translation

Actually it makes sense why female chimps would do this; if they don't then most offspring will be half-siblings - and that's bad for genetic diversity.

Lack of genetic diversity ==> defected babies.

Most apes instinctively avoid incest mating for that reason.

Is it topped with whipped cream too?

In chimps, if the alpha male doesn't treat the females well, the females conspire, overthrow him and install a new alpha. The girls aren't passive participants.

It's great to get away from PPR,
Eh, mate.

Its nice to take a breather every once in a blue moon, yeah.

You are right.
I meant "Polyamorous " relationships.

Most other animals don’t seem to care or avoid it.

I think the term "alpha" is a bit misused :

https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/articl ... alpha_male

In fact it tends to foster behaviors in men that are very unhealthy. I am very very confident but I am by no means "alpha". I have had men try to assert dominance on me and it never ends well for them (another cool ability I have looking people in the eyes). I never have had a desire to dominate other men or be submissive to them.

I know that in some species there are things that may seem "alpha" but the human race is not one of them. The sooner we get this idea out of our heads as men, the sooner we can get the idea of submissive women out of the culture. Confidence, humor, being easygoing, emotional strength, kindness, backbone, intelligence... these are the traits that human females choose for a partner (it actually differs based on FCT, but that is too much to explain). They are most often attracted to taller men (I have a theory of tall grass to explain this) but even that goes out the window if you are confident and short.

As far as birds go, I don't see that much "alpha" behavior there just the more fit males having more offspring. I can't wait to be a bird on here that is endemic to my area... it seems they are all eastern North American birds

Just my 2 cents... did you know I am a millionaire?

Birds such as chicken and peacocks do have typical alphas + harems.

Pigeons on the other hand are very monogamous.

Are you sure that is not age of the bird? Older males are more fit because they have survived longer. The fighting is a fitness test.

Sorry, I just feel the term "alpha" over simplifies these mating strategies. I may not have words in my brain but when I write them or read them... I really like accuracy (I don't always achieve it)

Here is where the term alpha comes from:
https://www.mawer.com/the-art-of-boring ... alpha-wolf


excerpt: "According to Mech this also happens with other animals, including wolves. But wolf packs don’t form in the wild the way that they do in captivity; instead of strangers being thrust together, wolves form around family units. The “alpha male” in a pack is usually just the “dad,” the “alpha female” just the “mom”, and the rest of the pack follows their lead, not because of some competitive vying for dominance, but because it’s mom and dad."

The entire concept of alpha is outdated and was inaccurate to begin with IMNSHO

Ah yes, class-ism another thing I hate, lol.

Again, what you are saying *is* a myth too.
The term alpha was wrongly applied on wolves; that’s true - but that doesn’t mean that other species don’t.
Wolves are actually egalitarian and monogamous species; their females are as strong as males - which is a trait common in monogamous species.

But you can’t deny that alphas don’t exist in species such as gorillas (just to sound politically correct and make feminists happy ) - please refer to real scientific sources and not to some PC articles with wishful thinking.

The male gorilla is about 3 times the size of females, the size difference between sexes is often common in such species. The “alphahood” behaviors in gorillas is very obvious and well documented.

So in short, polygynous (not polygamous) species tend to have:
- Males larger than females
- Males are very aggressive and territorials, think of gorillas, chimps, deers, lions, chicken, peacocks, seals, hippos... etc.
- Males tend to have natural “weapons” such as horns, larger canines, ... well equipped for fighting.
- Hierarchal social structure of males; where the stronger males have special privileges.


Monogamous species tend to:
- Male and female of equal size and strength (almost).
- Tend to be more peaceful species, males are not aggressive. Think of pigeons, some songbirds, gibbons, GRAY WOLVES (yes wolves can be aggressive too but duh, they’re carnivores; but they tend to be by far less aggressive than polygynous carnivores still, after all our lovely dogs are their cousins) ... etc.

Matriarchal species tend to have:
- Females bigger than males.
- Females are the aggressive ones, think of bees, spiders, ants.. etc; and have natural weapons that the males don’t have.
- Males are the lowest rank, have a very passive role and their role only for reproduction.


Humans are not canines for the record.