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12 Sep 2020, 9:49 am

^ It's a UK meme

ripped off from a G. Michael Hopf quote "Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times"


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12 Sep 2020, 10:10 am

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And there is a distinction between "minor" and "child".
You are oversimplifying a complex condition, pedophiles abuse victims from a wide range of ages up to 18 yrs of age.

Medically, after puberty it's not pedophilia.
Of course, it can still be very serious abuse, but that's another matter. Adults can be gravely abused, too.


There was a man I used to know who is a clear,I can't say pedophile because I don't believe he has ever touched a person under age.But he is a clear MAP(minor attracted person)when he was in his 30's he had many 15 year old friends(although I don't think he ever abused anyone)and he did have sexual experiences with 18 year old's usually getting them drunk and buying them alcohol them putting on the moves.Aside from buying alcohol for minor's,sexual contact with 18 year old's is legal,but for him it's a clear surrogate for the 14,15 year old's he desired.

Today he is in his 50's and all his friends (which I'm not one of)are all in there early 20's and he has said his dream lover is;Quote "one day over 18" end of Quote.

There are minor attracted people out there who control there desires well enough to stay away from under age people and use people in there late teens/early 20's as surrogates for there true desire.



And this is why many people find it creepy when older adults date young adults.

Sure my husband is 10 years older than me and I was 21 when we started talking but our relationship was the exception and not the rule.


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12 Sep 2020, 10:29 am

It’s actually fairly common for older men to marry younger women.....a 10-20 year age difference is not uncommon.

The other way around is rarer.

Back in the 80s, a 45 year old man marrying a 25 year old woman wouldn’t have gotten a second look.



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12 Sep 2020, 11:46 am

I get it. Any decent person should be opposed to child porn. And youre not saying that its an exclusively rightwing thing.

But still..

This thread was misconceived to say the least.

Its false advertising ABOUT the subject of a movie that was itself being falsely advertised, and the movie is about a hot button emotional issue- that makes it hard for us readers to reason through the convolutions.


The OP was either being inept and oblivious to the irony, or was purposely being ironic in a failed attempt at wit. Either way its a mess.

So... this movie is anti sexualizing children, but the advertising for it panders to pedophilia, which lead folks to think that it is itself a piece of pedo porn ..which caused justifiable outrage at the movie. But some of the defenders of the movie accuse the attackers of being rightwingers? Are the defenders defending the film for the right reason (that its anti pedophilia)? Or for the wrong reason (because they wrongly think that it pro sexualizing children)? Its probably explained somewhere in your links, but...I dont care. When you introduce a topic you should do the work of explaining things to us with brevity. Dont make us do so much heavy lifting please.

And if I have misunderstood your original post then...sorry,but... that just further proves my point...that your post was needlessly cryptic.

And I dont mean cryptic like that post about the fossil critter crawling out of the water in evolution (which isnt even all that cryptic-despite what someone said). I mean REALLY cryptic!



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12 Sep 2020, 12:08 pm

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And I dont mean cryptic like that post about the fossil critter crawling out of the water in evolution (which isnt even all that cryptic-despite what someone said). I mean REALLY cryptic!


Cryptic = having a meaning that is mysterious or obscure.

Obscure = not clearly expressed.

Theory of mind = the ability to attribute mental states — beliefs, intents, desires, emotions, knowledge, etc. — to oneself and to others


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12 Sep 2020, 12:41 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:
The far right chooses liberty over censorship.


True; it's Not Conservative
to Forgo Wearing
A Mask to the
Rally of a
'Dear
Leader',
Proven
to Save
Lives;
For if We
Don't Conserve
the Life of Those
Who Stand Breathing;
What is Left to Conserve...

Face Palm Thick Forests; Pandemic too much to Censor;

When Liberal Calls Itself Conservative; And Right Wing;

And IS JUST PLAIN

WRONG

PERIOD.

END OF
DEAD SENTENCE

The Same Applies to
Ending Health Care
Directly Leading
to the
Death
of Potentially
Millions More Folks;

But of Course, There are
Some True Conservatives Left;
Even Real Heroes; Dead Ones In Politics Like

John McCain;

Right
Wing Right.

ThiS Ain't Gonna Look
Good in the HiStory Books
And That's For Damn Sure, Conservative Truth.

What's Truly Amazing is Some Folks Still Refuse to See it...


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13 Sep 2020, 1:39 am

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I don't see it as "right-wing" to be against this sort of thing...This was just to demonstrate how the terms "left wing" and "right wing" are weaponised to try and distract from actual problems in society.



If this was your intention then why the click-bait title "Are you unknowingly right wing" ?

A more appropriate title would be "Weaponising politics" or something to that effect, I very much doubt you would have been bothered with this article if Brody was attacking the left....


Nope: not "click-bait".

It was an honest question based around the fact that to a certain segment of the population, something as widely agreed upon in society is considered "right wing", using a published article based on that foundation as an example.

To come up with a similar one "attacking the left", I would need to find a publication with an author making a statement implying that something commonly accepted through society at large was "left wing", although with the political leaning on this site, it would get much less interest than this one suggesting people may be "right wing" unknowingly...

By the way, I have previously made a thread here highlighting the similarities in outcomes desired by the "woke" and "right supremecists", showing how although they have different aims, the end points are remarkably similar.

The thing is, unlike some members here, I'm not chained to a "side" in this...I'm just trying to bring some semblence of balance to discussions. The fact that the population here, in general, is heavily weighted one way makes any attempt at balance stand out and appear to be support for the "other side".


Ok I accept that...



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13 Sep 2020, 1:42 am

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The far right chooses liberty over censorship.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_book_burnings

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13 Sep 2020, 2:39 am

B.Sisko wrote:
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And I dont mean cryptic like that post about the fossil critter crawling out of the water in evolution (which isnt even all that cryptic-despite what someone said). I mean REALLY cryptic!


Cryptic = having a meaning that is mysterious or obscure.

Obscure = not clearly expressed.

Theory of mind = the ability to attribute mental states — beliefs, intents, desires, emotions, knowledge, etc. — to oneself and to others


Exactly what I said. Thanks for reiterating.



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13 Sep 2020, 3:01 am

cyberdad wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
The far right chooses liberty over censorship.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_book_burnings

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As posted earlier, you can see in the chart, National Socialism is far left

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13 Sep 2020, 3:29 am

Yes because the right never try and silence free speech do they
https://www.freepress.net/news/press-re ... ritics-and



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13 Sep 2020, 3:31 am

TheRobotLives wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
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The far right chooses liberty over censorship.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_book_burnings

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As posted earlier, you can see in the chart, National Socialism is far left

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The Nazis are conventionally considered "far right" except by people on the right who try and paint them as left.



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13 Sep 2020, 3:45 am

cyberdad wrote:
The Nazis are conventionally considered "far right" except by people on the right who try and paint them as left.

As you go to the right, you get more capitalism.

You can see "Fascism" on the right.

So, this would be capitalistic fascism.

Benito Mussolini promoted "heroic capitalism"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercapitalism

Obviously, a "socialist fascist", like Hitler, would be on the opposite side.


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13 Sep 2020, 3:47 am

TheRobotLives wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
The Nazis are conventionally considered "far right" except by people on the right who try and paint them as left.

As you go to the right, you get more capitalism.

You can see "Fascism" on the right.

So, this would be capitalistic fascism.

Benito Mussolini is labeled a "supercapitalist fascist"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercapitalism

Obviously, a "socialist fascist", like Hitler, would be on the opposite side.


Not in the modern sense of what are left-right poles
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/ ... ocialists/



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13 Sep 2020, 3:59 am

cyberdad wrote:
Not in the modern sense of what are left-right poles
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/ ... ocialists/

Hitler believed in *controlling industries* not capitalism (freedom).

"Hitler’s administration decreed an October 1937 policy that “dissolved all corporations with a capital under $40,000 and forbade the establishment of new ones with a capital less than $200,000,” which swiftly effected the collapse of one fifth of all small corporations"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_o ... ner%20Bank.

" property owners “were called shop managers or Betriebsführer. The government tells these seeming entrepreneurs what and how to produce, at what prices and from whom to buy, at what prices and to whom to sell. The government decrees at what wages labourers should work, and to whom and under what terms the capitalists should entrust their funds. Market exchange is but a sham. As all prices, wages and interest rates are fixed by the authority, they are prices, wages and interest rates in appearance only; in fact they are merely quantitative terms in the authoritarian orders determining each citizen’s income, consumption and standard of living. The authority, not the consumers, directs production. The central board of production management is supreme; all citizens are nothing else but civil servants. This is socialism with the outward appearance of capitalism. Some labels of the capitalistic market economy are retained, but they signify here something entirely different from what they mean in the market economy.”
https://mises.org/library/myth-nazi-capitalism

"if firms refused to comply [with Hitler] they could be nationalized"
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/do ... 1&type=pdf


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13 Sep 2020, 4:06 am

It doesn’t matter what “wing” Hitler resided in.