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01 Oct 2020, 10:13 am

I feel proud when I'm successful at important things, too.

No...I'm not one of those who believe in "participation trophies."



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01 Oct 2020, 10:28 am

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It is easy to understand why many autistic people would not want to be labeled as 'inferior' in any way.  The 'ASD' label implies imperfection.  Some may even take it to mean they are 'defective'.  Specifically, autism means your behavior is due to a poorly-identified neuro-biological condition.  To some, this is the same as having a malfunctioning brain or a mental disorder (i.e., retardation, schizophrenia, sociopathy, et cetera).  Understandably, emotions run high here.

However, claiming that autism is somehow super-power is equally ludicrous.  People need to accept that they have a developmental and/or perceptive disorder and stop trying to rationalize it with flawed data and fallacious reasoning into a claim of alleged superiority over more socially and professionally successful people.

If you have and autism spectrum disorder, just face it, accept it, own it, and deal with it.  Autism does not make you superior to anyone in any way.


This said in one post in a better way what I have been trying to say in 7+ years here. It is what Sara Luterman was getting at in the quote of hers I use for my signature.


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01 Oct 2020, 10:33 am

Basically, I find that Sara Luterman is saying that autism "just is." Not to be judged. Just like human existence "just is."

We are more than our autism---just like other people are more than whatever condition or non-condition they have.



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01 Oct 2020, 10:45 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Fnord wrote:
It is easy to understand why many autistic people would not want to be labeled as 'inferior' in any way.  The 'ASD' label implies imperfection.  Some may even take it to mean they are 'defective'.  Specifically, autism means your behavior is due to a poorly-identified neuro-biological condition.  To some, this is the same as having a malfunctioning brain or a mental disorder (i.e., retardation, schizophrenia, sociopathy, et cetera).  Understandably, emotions run high here.

However, claiming that autism is somehow super-power is equally ludicrous.  People need to accept that they have a developmental and/or perceptive disorder and stop trying to rationalize it with flawed data and fallacious reasoning into a claim of alleged superiority over more socially and professionally successful people.

If you have an autism spectrum disorder, just face it, accept it, own it, and deal with it.  Autism does not make you superior to anyone in any way.
This said in one post in a better way what I have been trying to say in 7+ years here. It is what Sara Luterman was getting at in the quote of hers I use for my signature.
Thank you.  As an engineer, I have had to develop the ability to determine not only what is going on, but what should be going on.  This is not a super-power; it is just ordinary common sense.


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01 Oct 2020, 10:47 am

It's true that the ability to predict the future, based upon the present, is a very important quality one should have.

The ability to anticipate is something which is valued all over.



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01 Oct 2020, 10:54 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
It's true that the ability to predict the future, based upon the present, is a very important quality one should have.  The ability to anticipate is something which is valued all over.
No one can predict the future with absolute accuracy; one can only predict the most likely outcome of conditions and/or actions.  Even if your degree of certainty is 99.999 percent, there is still that 0.001 percent of uncertainty in your predictions, for which you must account and prepare.


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01 Oct 2020, 11:20 am

Fnord wrote:
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Fnord wrote:
It is easy to understand why many autistic people would not want to be labeled as 'inferior' in any way.  The 'ASD' label implies imperfection.  Some may even take it to mean they are 'defective'.  Specifically, autism means your behavior is due to a poorly-identified neuro-biological condition.  To some, this is the same as having a malfunctioning brain or a mental disorder (i.e., retardation, schizophrenia, sociopathy, et cetera).  Understandably, emotions run high here.

However, claiming that autism is somehow super-power is equally ludicrous.  People need to accept that they have a developmental and/or perceptive disorder and stop trying to rationalize it with flawed data and fallacious reasoning into a claim of alleged superiority over more socially and professionally successful people.

If you have an autism spectrum disorder, just face it, accept it, own it, and deal with it.  Autism does not make you superior to anyone in any way.
This said in one post in a better way what I have been trying to say in 7+ years here. It is what Sara Luterman was getting at in the quote of hers I use for my signature.
Thank you.  As an engineer, I have had to develop the ability to determine not only what is going on, but what should be going on.  This is not a super-power; it is just ordinary common sense.

You are welcome.


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01 Oct 2020, 11:27 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Basically, I find that Sara Luterman is saying that autism "just is." Not to be judged. Just like human existence "just is."

We are more than our autism---just like other people are more than whatever condition or non-condition they have.


Sara, me, you, and Fnord are saying the same thing in different ways which is a good thing because how effective a different ways of communicating a message is gotten across varies by reader of said message.


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01 Oct 2020, 11:31 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Basically, I find that Sara Luterman is saying that autism "just is." Not to be judged. Just like human existence "just is."  We are more than our autism---just like other people are more than whatever condition or non-condition they have.
Sara, me, you, and Fnord are saying the same thing in different ways which is a good thing because how effective a different ways of communicating a message is gotten across varies by reader of said message.
Well, that makes four of us (one by proxy).  I wonder how many more it would take to get the OP to see things rightly.


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01 Oct 2020, 1:40 pm

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kraftiekortie wrote:
Basically, I find that Sara Luterman is saying that autism "just is." Not to be judged. Just like human existence "just is."  We are more than our autism---just like other people are more than whatever condition or non-condition they have.
Sara, me, you, and Fnord are saying the same thing in different ways which is a good thing because how effective a different ways of communicating a message is gotten across varies by reader of said message.
Well, that makes four of us (one by proxy).  I wonder how many more it would take to get the OP to see things rightly.

Four of us saying the same thing in different ways improves the chances of the OP understanding what we are saying. Understanding does not conflate to the agreeing with it.

To be fair to the OP the OP has changed the wording a bit so I both understand and agree with what the OP is trying to accomplish. Which is trying to end the horrible low self esteem issues all to common with people on the spectrum and do it by pointing out strengths associated with autism. I just disagree with armchair celebrity diagnosing and retro diagnosing historical figures(thorough self diagnosing while controversial and with similarities is not the same as retro/celebrity diagnosing). I think it is enough to say these people that have autistic traits or are outliers have had success.

I am trying to do the same thing as the OP when I post articles about autistic people that accomplish things. My purpose is not to inspiration porn you, or shame you for not accomplishing things that those autistic people did. Fact is you are not that person, you are not Fnord, nor are you ASPartOfMe, you have different environments then us so you probably are not to accomplish what we did. It is to show you that just because you are autistic does not mean you are doomed to failure.


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01 Oct 2020, 1:54 pm

While I agree with the idea of trying to show people that autism is not a social death sentence, I also agree with the idea that making an armchair diagnosis of a celebrity or retro-diagnosing historical figures beyond "... this person seems to have autistic traits" is both presumptuous and defeats the whole purpose of trying to end the horribly low self-esteem issues common to most people on the ASD spectrum.

Then again, my efforts to relate my own experiences / diagnosis / success in an effort to inspire others have been met with reactions from bland indifference to open hostility and ridicule -- that old saying about leading a horse to water seems particularly appropriate to this.


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01 Oct 2020, 7:09 pm

I think I understand the emotionalism now. It is based on miscommunication. I never said that we should be proud that we can tie our shoes. All I am saying is that we are different. Is that judgmental? If it is then the term " Asperger" has no meaning. All I am saying is that we are different and usually defined by our disabilities. Why cant our abilities also be part of the definition?
I repeatedly said that I am not superior to a neurotypical. I just have DIFFERENT abilities. They are better at social skills etc. Granted " superpower" is hyperbole. But since we are labeled as having super disabilities, I was trying to tell the other half of the story.
I guess we really do have a superpower as evidenced by the posts in response to my OP. Our superpower is empathy. We even feel sympathy for neurotypicals! Many as evidenced by the posts here feel that I was too hard on them.


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01 Oct 2020, 7:19 pm

It took 9 pages but I think we got a basic agreement. :D


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