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21 Oct 2020, 2:56 am

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I find it a bit hard to believe that anyone - - Hunter Biden or not - - would just leave a laptop with a repairman and forget all about it if such incriminating things were on it. This is just the Trump crew's feeble attempt at manufacturing an October Surprise in my humble opinion.


This^

I can't believe that this is the story they have been working on as their big October election winner. really? this?!

Not to say he won't win, I don't know who will, just very surprised that the rabbit they are pulling from the hat is the same old 'but their e_mails!' stuff yet again. Feels very lazy



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21 Oct 2020, 2:47 pm

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Well the Trump scam campaign is certainly in full swing
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/v ... s-n1238553

Twitter and Facebook have been working overtime removing fake accounts pretending to be black MAGA supporters


That's been going on for a while. But the only people they're convincing that blacks are turning in droves to Trump are Trump voters.


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21 Oct 2020, 3:16 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
I find it a bit hard to believe that anyone - - Hunter Biden or not - - would just leave a laptop with a repairman and forget all about it if such incriminating things were on it.


I find it hard to believe also. However I have read stories about people being arrested because of illegal material discovered on their hard drive after they took their device to a repair shop. One of the earliest high profile cases of this was in 1997 when musician Gary Glitter was arrested after a technician discovered pornographic images of children on the hard drive of a laptop that he had taken in for repair. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/1997/nov/20/alexbellos



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21 Oct 2020, 6:17 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Well the Trump scam campaign is certainly in full swing
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/v ... s-n1238553

Twitter and Facebook have been working overtime removing fake accounts pretending to be black MAGA supporters


That's been going on for a while. But the only people they're convincing that blacks are turning in droves to Trump are Trump voters.


I think we are again underestimating the potential power of strategy from the Trump camp
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p ... y-1041522/

There are literally millions of Kanye fans (he isn't a billionaire by accident) and I fear sentiment will overtake rationale thought.



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21 Oct 2020, 6:22 pm

Whatever. I'm still voting for Biden. If it were a choice between Trump and a rabid dog I'd vote for the rabid dog.



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21 Oct 2020, 6:31 pm

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I fear sentiment will overtake rationale thought.


That is a good way of describing supporters of any political party, who vote for the "side" (or against the other "side"), rather than the policies put forward, or vote a given way because "They have always voted that way"... Or those who vote based on what they are told about a candidate\party without doing any research of their own.



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21 Oct 2020, 7:29 pm

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cyberdad wrote:
"They have always voted that way"... Or those who vote based on what they are told about a candidate\party without doing any research of their own.


In the case of Kanye West the only premise they will vote for him is i) they like his music/fashion and/or ii) he is black

The second point is likely the only reason black Americans voted for Obama. As we get closer to the US election it becomes apparent that Trump's strategists make use of market forces where consumers act on feelings rather than rationale thought.



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22 Oct 2020, 12:09 am

Brictoria wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
I fear sentiment will overtake rationale thought.


That is a good way of describing supporters of any political party, who vote for the "side" (or against the other "side"), rather than the policies put forward, or vote a given way because "They have always voted that way"... Or those who vote based on what they are told about a candidate\party without doing any research of their own.


I'd vote for the one whom I felt had the best plan and policies to offer.



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22 Oct 2020, 12:21 am

Well, things seem to be getting slightly more interesting:

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Full statement from Tony Bobulinski to The New York Post

My name is Tony Bobulinski. The facts set forth below are true and accurate; they are not any form of domestic or foreign disinformation. Any suggestion to the contrary is false and offensive. I am the recipient of the email published seven days ago by the New York Post which showed a copy to Hunter Biden and Rob Walker. That email is genuine.

This afternoon I received a request from the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Government Affairs and the Senate Committee on Finance requesting all documents relating to my business affairs with the Biden family as well as various foreign entities and individuals. I have extensive relevant records and communications and I intend to produce those items to both Committees in the immediate future.

I am the grandson of a 37 year Army Intelligence officer, the son of a 20+ year career Naval Officer and the brother of a 28 year career Naval Flight Officer. I myself served our country for 4 years and left the Navy as LT Bobulinski. I held a high level security clearance and was an instructor and then CTO for Naval Nuclear Power Training Command. I take great pride in the time my family and I served this country. I am also not a political person. What few campaign contributions I have made in my life were to Democrats.

If the media and Big Tech companies had done their jobs over the past several weeks I would be irrelevant in this story. Given my long standing service and devotion to this great country, I could no longer allow my family’s name to be associated or tied to Russian disinformation or implied lies and false narratives dominating the media right now.

After leaving the military I became an institutional investor investing extensively around the world and on every continent. I have traveled to over 50 countries. I believe, hands down, we live in the greatest country in the world.

What I am outlining is fact. I know it is fact because I lived it. I am the CEO of Sinohawk Holdings which was a partnership between the Chinese operating through CEFC/Chairman Ye and the Biden family. I was brought into the company to be the CEO by James Gilliar and Hunter Biden. The reference to “the Big Guy” in the much publicized May 13, 2017 email is in fact a reference to Joe Biden. The other “JB” referenced in that email is Jim Biden, Joe’s brother.

Hunter Biden called his dad ‘the Big Guy’ or ‘my Chairman,’ and frequently referenced asking him for his sign-off or advice on various potential deals that we were discussing. I’ve seen Vice President Biden saying he never talked to Hunter about his business. I’ve seen firsthand that that’s not true, because it wasn’t just Hunter’s business, they said they were putting the Biden family name and its legacy on the line.

I realized the Chinese were not really focused on a healthy financial ROI. They were looking at this as a political or influence investment. Once I realized that Hunter wanted to use the company as his personal piggy bank by just taking money out of it as soon as it came from the Chinese, I took steps to prevent that from happening.

The Johnson Report connected some dots in a way that shocked me — it made me realize the Bidens had gone behind my back and gotten paid millions of dollars by the Chinese, even though they told me they hadn’t and wouldn’t do that to their partners.

I would ask the Biden family to address the American people and outline the facts so I can go back to being irrelevant — and so I am not put in a position to have to answer those questions for them.

I don’t have a political ax to grind; I just saw behind the Biden curtain and I grew concerned with what I saw. The Biden family aggressively leveraged the Biden family name to make millions of dollars from foreign entities even though some were from communist controlled China.

God bless America.

Source: https://nypost.com/2020/10/22/hunter-biz-partner-confirms-e-mail-details-joe-bidens-push-to-make-millions-from-china/



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22 Oct 2020, 3:06 am

Snopes thinks this is a right wing smear campaign as well, designed to tarnish Joe Biden
https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/09/28/ ... te-report/

Only question is whether the timing works in swinging voters



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22 Oct 2020, 3:18 am

cyberdad wrote:
Snopes thinks this is a right wing smear campaign as well, designed to tarnish Joe Biden
https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/09/28/ ... te-report/

Only question is whether the timing works in swinging voters


Besides Snopes not exactly being an unbiased site, the "fact check" to which you refer pre-dates the release of any of the emails from the laptop, none of which were used in any part of the report being referenced in the article, and which may have altered its findings had they been available at that time.



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22 Oct 2020, 3:38 am

This reminds me of the election time Clinton email scandal.



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22 Oct 2020, 3:54 am

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This reminds me of the election time Clinton email scandal.


Yes this is designed for precisely the same purpose. To inflict maximum damage on Biden's reputation.



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22 Oct 2020, 4:06 am

Brictoria wrote:
Besides Snopes not exactly being an unbiased site, the "fact check" to which you refer pre-dates the release of any of the emails from the laptop, none of which were used in any part of the report being referenced in the article, and which may have altered its findings had they been available at that time.


A number of factcheck webpages have come to the same conclusion. Trump is trying to revive the old Biden/Ukraine and Biden/China conspiracies which I am sure the FBI would already have intelligence and acted on if information was avaialble
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/trump ... d-ukraine/

The idea that US intelligence is incapable of finding this stuff on their own without requiring emails from some random laptop seems ludicrous. You might have forgotten the democrats had similar problems with Russia's interference with the US election and the late night meetings that Trump Jnr conducted with dubious people in seedy places.



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22 Oct 2020, 4:07 am

cyberdad wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
This reminds me of the election time Clinton email scandal.


Yes this is designed for precisely the same purpose. To inflict maximum damage on Biden's reputation.


Well, either it isn't affecting his reputation, or he doesn't feel it worth trying to defend it...I don't recall any denials from his family or campaign related to the laptop or contents which have been released over the past week.