I thought the right liked charity?
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... f-23182270
So the kids in a developed nation need to rely on charity rather than tax funded meals.
But it's a 'disgrace' for them to receive that charity.
'Decrease the surplus population' indeed, Mr Mogg.
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To be fair the UK is pretty generous with benefits so there is no need for kids to go hungry. It's capped at 20k a year per household outside of London which is more than enough if you also have a job on the go.....which people should if they have kids. If you earn over a certain amount then the already generous cap doesn't even apply anymore.
Benefits were only capped because they regularly exceeded average salary and were getting obscene to the point of causing discontent among a large proportion of the British population. Mogg was right, it was purely political and a suspiciously low amount of money if kids were genuinely starving.
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/c ... eport.html
https://www.gov.uk/benefit-cap/benefit-cap-amounts
https://www.gov.uk/benefit-cap/when-youre-not-affected
What does UNICEF stand to gain, politically?
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In 2019, UNICEF’s total income was US$6.4 billion (100%)..
The public sector contributed the largest share: US$4.74 billion (74%)
• Government, inter-governmental and inter-organizational partners, as well as Global Programme Partnerships.
The private sector contributed US$1.45 billion (23%).
• National Committees, UNICEF Country Office fundraising, and non-governmental organizations.
Other contributions total US$210 Million (3%).
Total Spent: US$145,939,848 (2.3%)
So where did the remaining US$6.25 BILLION (97.7%) go?
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And the nature of a lot of charities being anti-capitalist in stance anyway.
If a family needs food provided to them via a charity after the UK's perfectly reasonable household benefits then they should consider not smoking through 50 a day. Most people I know who live in poverty blows an astronomical amount on cigarettes and booze. I stopped visiting one family after 7 of them were smoking in the living room with a child who had a new lease of life as a smoked kipper. Me and the 3 year old child were the only ones not smoking.
This sounds less conservative for us Americans. It isn't that they are against charities feeding the hungry children, they are upset that it had come to this and that the country had somehow let this happen where families are too poor to afford food for their kids to keep them full.
Conservatives here in America would want those kids to go hungry and blame it on the parents and say they are too lazy and that they shouldn't have had kids. Yeah, like we should punish the children.
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Benefits were only capped because they regularly exceeded average salary and were getting obscene to the point of causing discontent among a large proportion of the British population. Mogg was right, it was purely political and a suspiciously low amount of money if kids were genuinely starving.
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/c ... eport.html
https://www.gov.uk/benefit-cap/benefit-cap-amounts
https://www.gov.uk/benefit-cap/when-youre-not-affected
So - don't have kids unless you are 100% certain that you will not lose your job for 18 years +?
A lot of jobs are being lost atm during the pandemic.
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Don't forget that you may become disabled later in life or a divorce can happen or your partner decides to walk out on you and your kids. Oh no, you should have gotten yourself prepared for this and save save save. But guess what, no one would have kids if everyone followed this faulty logic. The human population would have eventually died off and who will take care of the elderly?
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If someone had a crystal ball and were able to 100% tell if they were going to work all their kid's childhood or not, I would still not be in favour of the kid going hungry if they couldn't provide for the kid. Whether that alternative is government, charity, other family members, neighbours etc is up for debate. The kid going hungry shouldn't be an option. It's never the kid's fault.
But such crystal balls don't exist.
Only thing different if such things did exist would be that in that case I'd want the kids taken off them because yes, if you think it's unlikely you'll get a job, it is irresponsible to have kids.
Free school meals are provided in school. That means outside of a pandemic, it's easy to monitor unless it's the school holidays. Just provide food then parents have no ability to for eg fund addictions if that's really what's making their family's poor. Or offer food vouchers like the Americans do.
Too severe an alcohol/drug addiction, kids probably are best off not with that particular parent. I've seen that and it's not a nice situation for the kid. It's an in between case with tobacco/weed because in that case the kid's not in immediate danger but it's still not responsible to do that stuff around kids. But I've known a lot more kids on free school dinners who had decent parents who for one reason or another either had low wages or couldn't work or were between jobs.
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But such crystal balls don't exist.
Only thing different if such things did exist would be that in that case I'd want the kids taken off them because yes, if you think it's unlikely you'll get a job, it is irresponsible to have kids.
Free school meals are provided in school. That means outside of a pandemic, it's easy to monitor unless it's the school holidays. Just provide food then parents have no ability to for eg fund addictions if that's really what's making their family's poor. Or offer food vouchers like the Americans do.
Too severe an alcohol/drug addiction, kids probably are best off not with that particular parent. I've seen that and it's not a nice situation for the kid. It's an in between case with tobacco/weed because in that case the kid's not in immediate danger but it's still not responsible to do that stuff around kids. But I've known a lot more kids on free school dinners who had decent parents who for one reason or another either had low wages or couldn't work or were between jobs.
I think all responsible parents should save up a buffer to allow them to transition to state aid. It only needs to be a few months of pay and all the help is avaliable if they need it. If a parent is unable to do that then they shouldn't have had kids. Most people know if they are capable of getting themselves a job that allows them to save that buffer.
Food stamps are by far the best. A lot of the reason why savings fail to materialise is because money is blown on booze and tobacco. I've seen it so many times I'm numb to it now. Food stamps will ensure money can't be frittered away and food stamps should be given to the individual that needs them regardless of age.
As for job losses or disability, savings will give a good safety net until they get benefits. They do indeed need to save save save in some instances but that's what everyone should be doing kids or not. There's an aversion to saving that has developed in my generation. The mentality of blowing every penny and hoping the state will save them the exact day they lose their jobs is and always has been dangerous.
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