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27 Jan 2021, 1:06 pm

There was an interesting article published a few days ago that discussed a massive solar storm. Generally a solar storm similar to the Carrington Event could cause great destruction to modern society. One of the main effects would be the destruction of one-of-a-kind large voltage transformers at the main electrical power plants. This could deprive parts of civilization without electrical power for months/years, producing great chaos. The latest paper was not focused on the fallout from such an event but rather focused on how the event would occur.

You’ve heard of a “perfect storm.” But what about a perfect solar storm? A new study just published in the research journal Space Weather considers what might happen if a worst-case coronal mass ejection (CME) hit Earth. Spoiler alert: You might need a backup generator.

For years, researchers have been wondering, what’s the worst the sun could do? In 2014, Bruce Tsurutani (JPL) and Gurbax Lakhina (Indian Institute of Geomagnetism) introduced the “Perfect CME.” It would be fast, leaving the sun around 3,000 km/s, and aimed directly at Earth. Moreover, it would follow another CME, which would clear the path in front of it, allowing the storm cloud to hit Earth with maximum force.

None of this is fantasy. The Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) has observed CMEs leaving the sun at speeds up to 3,000 km/s. And there are many documented cases of one CME clearing the way for another. Perfect CMEs are real.

Source: What if … A Perfect CME Hit Earth?


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27 Jan 2021, 1:33 pm

Tech jobs would look very different.


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28 Jan 2021, 11:31 am

Our lives are so interconnected with electricity, that if we lost it for a year, the world would melt down. No gasoline because the pumps are driven by electricity. No stop lights producing massive gridlock. No food in stores because the transportation grid grinds to a halt. No communications once the batteries die. And most people are not even aware of the danger in our modern age. People in high rises have to use the stairs in the dark. Sanitation systems are taken off line because of lack of power. The pumps that bring water into water towers are off line and after that water runs out what do people drink or flush their toilets with.

Losing electricity for a day or two is an inconvenience, losing electricity for a year is a major cataclysm.


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29 Jan 2021, 12:07 pm

Sounds like something out of a disaster film.


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29 Jan 2021, 3:05 pm

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Sounds like something out of a disaster film.


There have been disaster movies covering almost every type of real or imaginary disaster that might occur. But I do not recall any about the solar storm threat. I did a quick check on the Internet:

There was a film called Solar Flare (2008) that included in its plot line a solar flare that released a massive amount of neutrinos that caused the earth's core to heat up and cause a chain reaction of natural disasters. But neutrinos are not like microwaves and will not heat up earth's core.

Then there was a Nicolas Cage film called Knowing in 2009 that was again about a massive solar flare destroying Earth. But it was primarily about aliens coming to the rescue.

Then there was a 2006 television movie called Solar Attack that portrayed a large coronal mass ejections (CMEs) that cause the Earth's atmosphere to burn, potentially suffocating all life on Earth. Again CME's are not know to burn up the Earth's atmosphere.

But no films describing the effect of a massive solar storm, like the Carrington event that took place in 1859 and how it would devastate the world that has grown so much dependent on modern electricity.


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29 Jan 2021, 3:10 pm

NaturalEntity wrote:
Sounds like something out of a disaster film.


Yet it is reality enough that NASA, the ESA, and outfits such as National Academy of Sciences, are interested.

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https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/20 ... bital-drag
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While no one can predict exactly when the next big solar superstorm or long-lasting storm will hit, Oliveira hopes that the new work will help scientists and engineers be more prepared for its coming. The Sun might be 93 million miles away, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t have a huge impact on Earth.


and, https://www.pnas.org/content/116/47/23368
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If a solar superflare ever strikes Earth, the first thing to hit us will be an intense flash of X-ray and ultraviolet radiation. This would disrupt the ionosphere, scrambling the satellite navigation signals needed in critical services and infrastructure. The burst of radiation would heat the outer layers of Earth’s atmosphere making them expand, increasing drag on satellites so much that some might be lost.

A wave of high-energy protons, accelerated by shockwaves in the Sun’s atmosphere, would hit Earth a few minutes later. These could cripple satellites, compromising global communications. “High-energy particles can permanently damage processors,” says Schrijver. If the flare also spawns a supersize CME that happens to be aimed at Earth, it could cause a violent geomagnetic storm, inducing electric currents that could be strong enough to paralyze even modern power grids. A 9-hour blackout in Quebec in March 1989 was caused by a much more modest CME.


From ESA, https://www.esa.int/ESA_Multimedia/Imag ... ng_our_Sun
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One of the largest geomagnetic storms on record, the Carrington event of 1859, was caused as a fast coronal mass ejection associated with an enormous solar flare struck Earth’s magnetosphere. The impact created auroras as far north as Queensland, Australia, and as far south as the Caribbean.

Telegraph systems across Europe and North America failed, with reports of some operators receiving electric shocks and telegraph pylons sending out sparks.

Today, a storm of this magnitude would create far greater disruption, as we become ever-more dependent on infrastructure in space and on Earth that is vulnerable to the outbursts of the Sun.

As part of ESA’s Space Safety & Security activities, the Space Weather Office is working to minimise the potential damage and disruption these events can cause. The future Lagrange mission will keep a constant eye on the Sun, sending timely warnings via the Space Weather Service Network to operators and controllers of vital infrastructure, giving them time to take protective measures.


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29 Jan 2021, 3:14 pm

One more reference, https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2020/08 ... t-warning/

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Coming shortly after the 2012 near miss, researchers from Lloyd’s of London and the Atmospheric and Environmental Research agency in the United States estimated that a Carrington-class event impacting Earth today would cause between $0.6 and $2.6 trillion in damages to the United States alone and would cause widespread — if not global — electrical disruptions, blackouts, and damages to electrical grids.

Cascading failures of electrical grids, especially in New England in the United States, are also particularly likely during a Carrington-class event. Power restoration estimates range anywhere from a week to the least affected areas to more than a year to the hardest-hit regions.

Electronic payment systems at grocery stores and gas stations would likely crash, electric vehicle charging stations — that rely on the power grid — would likely be unusable for some time, as would ATMs which rely on an internet and/or satellite link to verify account and cash disbursement information.


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29 Jan 2021, 6:23 pm

One of the main threats from a massive solar storm is that it can destroy the large voltage transformer at the various electrical power generating plants. These transforers are massive and are very unique devices. They are like specially built one-of-a-kind items that cost in excess of $1 Million each and have a lead time of a year to build and deliver. So a massive solar storm can take out many of these transformers all at once and there are not spares available. They will need to be fabricated on a massive scale. So a very widespread power outage affecting a million people or more and lasting for a year is the main threat.

Our whole world and our modern society relies upon electricity. It touches almost everything we do.


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29 Jan 2021, 8:06 pm

jimmy m wrote:
Our whole world and our modern society relies upon electricity. It touches almost everything we do.


I'm trying to think of anything electricity doesn't touch somehow.
If you aren't living in a primitive pre-technical society electricity has some sort of impact on, or part in, pretty much everything.

Go for a walk, okay, that doesn't directly involve electricity, but the making and the retailing of the clothes and shoes you are wearing and the snacks you are carrying sure did.

Yep, those transformers are an issue.
Have in recent years heard/read things from people working on that issue, but it sure isn't solved yet.


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29 Jan 2021, 11:11 pm

kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
I'm trying to think of anything electricity doesn't touch somehow.


The closest I can come is the Amish. We have Amish communities a half hours drive away. But even Amish use computers nowadays. But they would probably do O.K. because they use certain elements of technology such as solar panels/batteries and are not connected to the electrical grids. But then again their money is tied up in banks.


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15 Feb 2021, 11:53 pm

I often pray for a solar mass ejection to take out the satellites. Not enough to EMP the power grid, but just the satellites which provide GPS, maps, spying, etc. Most high speed data communication is fiber and would only be marginally effected.

The world is too small.



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16 Feb 2021, 12:35 am

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I often pray for a solar mass ejection to take out the satellites. Not enough to EMP the power grid, but just the satellites which provide GPS, maps, spying, etc. Most high speed data communication is fiber and would only be marginally effected.


I don't share that minimal level of concern.

For instance;
https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/what-a ... lites-used
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... Communications satellites have the ability to rapidly communicate between a number of widely dispersed locations. This is an important tool, allowing big manufacturing companies and department stores to perform inventory management, provide instant credit card authorization and automated teller banking services to even small towns, pay-at-the-pump gas at freeway gas stations, and video conferencing for international corporations.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/marshallsh ... t-know-it/
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ATM Withdrawals. If you remember the aforementioned discussion about GPS, then you will have a better appreciation of your next ATM transaction. GPS is also a very precise orbiting clock system. Former NASA Administrator Michael Griffin made the following point in a 2017 Quartz article written by Tim Fernholz:

When we talk about economic infrastructure, I don’t think the general public realizes the extent to which the Global Positioning System’s timing signal is critical for these ATM transactions and every other point-of-sale transaction conducted in the United States and throughout most of the world

Griffin went on to point out how vulnerable ATMs, check transactions, credit authorizations, cellphone communication, and the electrical grid are to a compromised GPS network or a major outage.


https://www.mystrategist.com/blog/artic ... lites.html
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A critical function of satellites is telecommunication between healthcare providers and patients (aka telemedicine or telehealth), which serves to equalize access to quality healthcare around the globe, allow for swift response to disasters, and lower the costs of care. The vital role that this technology is playing during the COVID-19 pandemic, in patient care as well as mapping and tracking the spread of infection, has likely cemented satellite-based telemedicine as a critical component in healthcare of the future.


https://www.edn.com/how-satellite-techn ... -covid-19/
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Telemedicine has been used by the space industry since the start of human spaceflight to understand the impact of weightlessness on astronauts. NASA first started experimenting with the satellite provision of healthcare back in 1966 when the ATS-1 spacecraft was used to provide patient care to rural neighbourhoods in Alaska. This was motivated by the lack of local medical infrastructure, high rates of tuberculosis within the indigenous American-Indian community, and the need to demonstrate the value of satellite applications to state and federal agencies.

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Today, some paramedics carry equipment that use satellite communication to stream live vital signs such as ECG, temperature, respiration rate, and blood pressure to doctors who are due to take over treatment. The link allows two-way real-time consultation, allowing the ambulance team to make rapid clinical and transport decisions. It also enables seamless patient care as the casualty is transferred from the paramedics to the hospital.

Due to the contagious nature of COVID-19, the use of satellite communication allows quarantined diagnosis without increasing the amount of face-to-face contact between patients and healthcare providers, a major step in reducing the risk of spreading the disease. Other technologies such as using robots to disinfect hospitals and autonomous drones to deliver medical supplies and meals, both of which are being assisted by high-accuracy satellite navigation, are preventing cross-infection and allowing countries to contain the coronavirus. AI is being used to process the large amounts of data that have been collected to expedite the development of a vaccine, with the large internet giants contributing their computing resources and expertise.


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16 Feb 2021, 4:40 am

kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
Ball wrote:
I often pray for a solar mass ejection to take out the satellites. Not enough to EMP the power grid, but just the satellites which provide GPS, maps, spying, etc. Most high speed data communication is fiber and would only be marginally effected.


I don't share that minimal level of concern.

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Mr. Ball didnt say that he was "concerned" about it.

He said that he WANTED it to happen! :lol:



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16 Feb 2021, 8:35 am

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Mr. Ball didnt say that he was "concerned" about it.

How is that relevant this conversation?
Did I say he said he was concerned?
Have you seen a psychiatrist about your problem with comprehending reality?
Are you this big a bell end to everyone all the time or is this a special gift for me for Valentines?


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13 Mar 2021, 8:38 am

Today is an anniversary of the Great Quebec Blackout. It happened 32 years ago on this date.

They call it “the day the sun brought darkness.” On March 13, 1989, a powerful coronal mass ejection (CME) hit Earth’s magnetic field. Ninety seconds later, the Hydro-Québec power grid failed. During the 9 hour blackout that followed, millions of Quebecois found themselves with no light or heat, wondering what was going on?

“It was the biggest geomagnetic storm of the Space Age,” says Dr. David Boteler, head of the Space Weather Group at Natural Resources Canada. “March 1989 has become the archetypal disturbance for understanding how solar activity can cause blackouts.”

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It seems hard to believe now, but in 1989 few people realized solar storms could bring down power grids. The warning bells had been ringing for more than a century, though. In Sept. 1859, a similar CME hit Earth’s magnetic field–the infamous “Carrington Event“–sparking a storm twice as strong as March 1989. Electrical currents surged through Victorian-era telegraph wires, in some cases causing sparks and setting telegraph offices on fire. These were the same kind of currents that would bring down Hydro-Québec.

What are GICs? Freshman physics 101: When a magnetic field swings back and forth, electricity flows through conductors in the area. It’s called “magnetic induction.” Geomagnetic storms do this to Earth itself. The rock and soil of our planet can conduct electricity. So when a CME rattles Earth’s magnetic field, currents flow through the soil beneath our feet.

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Québec is especially vulnerable. The province sits on an expanse of Precambrian igneous rock that does a poor job conducting electricity. When the March 13th CME arrived, storm currents found a more attractive path in the high-voltage transmission lines of Hydro-Québec. Unusual frequencies (harmonics) began to flow through the lines, transformers overheated and circuit breakers tripped.

Much is still unknown about the March 1989 event. It occurred long before modern satellites were monitoring the sun 24/7. To piece together what happened, Boteler has sifted through old records of radio emissions, magnetograms, and other 80s-era data sources. He recently published a paper in the research journal Space Weather summarizing his findings — including a surprise:

“There were not one, but two CMEs,” he says.

The sunspot that hurled the CMEs toward Earth, region 5395, was one of the most active sunspot groups ever observed. In the days around the Quebec blackout it produced more than a dozen M- and X-class solar flares. Two of the explosions (an X4.5 on March 10th and an M7.3 on March 12th) targeted Earth with CMEs.

“The first CME cleared a path for the second CME, allowing it to strike with unusual force,” says Boteler. “The lights in Québec went out just minutes after it arrived.”

Source: The Great Québec Blackout


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