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30 May 2023, 12:53 pm

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Tulsi is accusing the democrats of "anti-white racism"

She’s not wrong…exactly. CRT/wokeness IS anti-white racism, and that (CRT/wokeness) is something supported by the Democratic Party. And when you consider how many politicians at the federal level are white versus black, you can take one more step and conclude that white Democratic politicians either hate themselves, which isn’t a stretch regardless, or they are all mostly liars.

Self-hate is a symptom of collectivism/statism. CRT/Wokeness is just the latest manifestation of it, but it’s always been there. Monarchism and nationalism demand blind devotion to the state and self-sacrifice. National socialism and Italian fascism, too. Although Hitler’s philosophy is exceptional in that it promised individual freedom for GERMANS, meaning Hitler considered the goals of capitalism and national socialism to be one and the same. In reality, national socialism demanded absolute dedication of individuals to the state, and Hitler’s final actions was the realization of the logical extreme of the national socialist philosophy: if Germans were unable to repel attacks on Germany, they didn’t deserve to exist. The deepest hatred they had wasn’t for their enemies or for the Jews—it was for themselves.

And you’ll see this play out in one form or another with any statist faction. CRT true believers hate themselves for being whatever race they are. White people, for being white and racist, and black people for being incapable of anything else but being victims. I can’t get a job because I’m black. I can’t get a good education because I’m black. I’m at risk for violence because I live in a black neighborhood. I have to sell drugs because I can’t make money any other way. I’ll never be this or that because I don’t have the privilege white people have. And all of that is an illusion, of course. It’s not real. But what is real is you’ll be mistreated by your own culture for asserting your own identity as an individual apart from the victim class you’re born into. You’re ridiculed for being a snob, or being selfish, or for trying to be white. Most people are able to fight or resist many things, but it seems nearly impossible to face off against flesh and blood. That’s always the hardest part.

White Democratic self-hate only serves one purpose: to maintain existing power structures. CRT people are optimistic that through education a hegemonic shift can happen given enough time, convincing enough whites to hate themselves and their supposed privilege. However, just as with Soviet Russia, reality will always set in and you’ll find that white people within those structures have no intention of giving up their power. Black people will always be their little pets, extra votes they can count on. If national-level Democrats need to lie and apologize for being white and privileged, they can be as open about their racism as they want as long as being openly racist gets them black votes.



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30 May 2023, 4:41 pm

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The Great Replacement Theory is a subcategory of the Elitists conspiracy theory. Elitist Conspiracy Theory posits that elitists are conspiring to control the world. The Great Replacement Theory is specific about what type of control, conspiracy to replacing white people as the dominant race..


I could argue they already control the world. GRT is the ultimate fear and it's both localised and widespread. It starts with ones own family. The stigma over a child marrying a PoC. It them is a community fear over demographic change in a neighbourhood, And finally national demographics.

Have a look at the old videos from the 1950s and 60s. White families interviewed (and these include groups who were considered non-white including Jews, Irish and Italians) and the number one fear over integration in housing and schooling was their child bringing a _______home to their parents. We had the same fear in Australia. When I was a child in the 1970s I often heard teachers talk about immigration and why it's important to "protect the race". One teacher played the Ray Steven's song "Everything is beautiful in its own way". We were taught by teachers to be respectful and friendly to new coloured immigrants (at the time Vietnamese and Lebanese who were subject to a lot of racism from kids). But we were also told that they are different (in their own way) and while we could be friends that we can't marry them otherwise we have to leave Australia :lol:

But getting back to Tulsi Gabbard, to me it's all the same thing. Being accused of "hating" white people (which is the most absurd thing to say) amounts to acquiescing to white replacement and the destruction of the white race, It's all a package deal. She is a complicated person, I agree with some things she says.



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31 May 2023, 5:43 am

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But getting back to Tulsi Gabbard, to me it's all the same thing. Being accused of "hating" white people (which is the most absurd thing to say) amounts to acquiescing to white replacement and the destruction of the white race, It's all a package deal. She is a complicated person, I agree with some things she says.

It can be a dog whistle but it is not the same thing. Thinking all whites are privileged or racist you are attributing a negative trait to a person based on how that person is born. That is a central part of what racism is no how matter how hard the wokes try or are successful at changing the definition. That thinking is the central part of "woke ideology" ie. anti white racism is a central tenant of "woke ideology",

Internalizing prejudices are real. Robin DeAngelo' s "White Fragility" was a best seller. That is a lot of internalized racism. Saying a group is racist is not the same as saying they are in on a grand conspiracy to destroy the group they are racist against.

Tulsi is heterodox so as much as she infuriates she is worth listening to for good points that most will miss.


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31 May 2023, 8:08 am

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[Thinking all whites are privileged or racist you are attributing a negative trait to a person based on how that person is born. That is a central part of what racism is no how matter how hard the wokes try or are successful at changing the definition. That thinking is the central part of "woke ideology" ie. anti white racism is a central tenant of "woke ideology",


It's not about labelling all white people. It's about owning up to being a member of the privileged class.
A simple test is ask a white person how much they think about their identity. If you ask a white person in the US, UK, Canada, Australia New Zealand how do they self-identify they will say I am American, English, Canadian, Australian or New Zealander.

Ask PoC the same question and they have no choice but the reveal their ethnicity first.

No white person thinks of themselves as a race/colour in private unless called to answer. You know and I know it never enters their thoughts. In contrast for a PoC navigating their way in our respective countries they must think of their racial identity all the time because they know they will be treated differently. Depending on the situation there are varying degrees of danger they have to constantly be vigilant of that you or I never have to worry about.

That my friend, is privilege.



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31 May 2023, 8:36 am

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[Thinking all whites are privileged or racist you are attributing a negative trait to a person based on how that person is born. That is a central part of what racism is no how matter how hard the wokes try or are successful at changing the definition. That thinking is the central part of "woke ideology" ie. anti white racism is a central tenant of "woke ideology",


It's not about labelling all white people. It's about owning up to being a member of the privileged class.
A simple test is ask a white person how much they think about their identity. If you ask a white person in the US, UK, Canada, Australia New Zealand how do they self-identify they will say I am American, English, Canadian, Australian or New Zealander.

Ask PoC the same question and they have no choice but the reveal their ethnicity first.

No white person thinks of themselves as a race/colour in private unless called to answer. You know and I know it never enters their thoughts. In contrast for a PoC navigating their way in our respective countries they must think of their racial identity all the time because they know they will be treated differently. Depending on the situation there are varying degrees of danger they have to constantly be vigilant of that you or I never have to worry about.

That my friend, is privilege.

White is a race not a class. And privilege is based on individual circumstances in which race will most certainly can be a factor. If a white person is not thinking about race that does not mean they have some unfair privilege, it may mean they have been treated fairly/ not discriminated against.

But nowadays in part due to “wokeness” many more white people think of themselves in terms of race. Rhetorical question. How is that working out?


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31 May 2023, 4:55 pm

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White is a race not a class. And privilege is based on individual circumstances in which race will most certainly can be a factor. If a white person is not thinking about race that does not mean they have some unfair privilege, it may mean they have been treated fairly/ not discriminated against.


Bingo! you answered correctly.
a) white is a social construct
b) being white means never having to worry about factoring your ethnicity

Think about two neighbours (one white and one black) with exactly the same job, same zipcode, same school, married with 2 kids. The black one will spend a disproportionate amount of time teaching their kids about the pitfalls/dangers of navigating their way in your society. The parents will spend a disproportionate amount of time factoring how they will be treated and or discriminated. When they watch the news at night or watch TV their minds are occupied by issues that different to their neighbour.

When it comes to travel, the white family can move anywhere in the US and they will be welcome. The black family will be restricted., Wanna know why. look at this map it's a proxy green book to tell black families where they will not be welcome for airBnB or accommodation

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It's the concentration of confederate monuments in the US....scary huh
You or I wouldn't care less about this, but if I was black that tells me where not to go for a drive holiday lest my family and I get caught in a sundown town



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31 May 2023, 9:53 pm

Getting back to the main topic.

The biggest targets of right wing accusations of "wokeism" is against
Disney
Netflix
MSNBC
CNN
ABC
NY Times
Washington Post

So here's the thing. None of the above are economically liberal or economically progressive. They are giant corporations who are driven by profits. They attack anything governments do that is economically liberal (For example Anderson Cooper used to be called the biggest woketivist but I remember him grilling Bernie Sanders over free healthcare or attacking Andrew Yang over universal basic income. But these same TV stations never question the costing for the Iraq or Afghanistan war, or sending the US economy into a spiral by supporting Ukraine or questioning tax cuts for the rich.

So how is it they can be economically conservative but also socially liberal and support "woke causes"? I mean that's really simple. All of the above media companies are "corporate media"

Socially liberal means sell their product to as wide an audience as possible. For example Coca Cola have an Advert running in the US that features a muslim family where the woman is wearing a hijab. Why would they do that? The answer is really simple....33% of the global population is muslim. Coke are using this advert globally (not just in the US). Are they going to be anti-muslim when Trump was president....of course not. There's 1.6 billion muslims who are buying their non-alcoholic drinks.

Same with companies wanting to sell to black people, gay people etc...so corporate media companies diversify their product to attract advertisers who want to sell to a diverse market. Woke = $$

When money is attached, the right wing can scream as loudly as they want, The big media companies aren't listening to their bigoted asses.



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01 Jun 2023, 2:12 am

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ASPartOfMe wrote:
Bingo! you answered correctly.
b) being white means never having to worry about factoring your ethnicity

Not true
Many American Jews are conflicted about publicly celebrating Hanukkah amidst growing anti-Semitism


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01 Jun 2023, 2:16 am

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cyberdad wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Bingo! you answered correctly.
b) being white means never having to worry about factoring your ethnicity

Not true
Many American Jews are conflicted about publicly celebrating Hanukkah amidst growing anti-Semitism


Soooo....orthodox Jews don't need to paint their street for Hannukah if this is a concern. It's not quite like being stopped by the police when driving black.



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06 Jun 2023, 12:20 pm

cyberdad wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Bingo! you answered correctly.
b) being white means never having to worry about factoring your ethnicity

Not true
Many American Jews are conflicted about publicly celebrating Hanukkah amidst growing anti-Semitism


Soooo....orthodox Jews don't need to paint their street for Hannukah if this is a concern. It's not quite like being stopped by the police when driving black.

Are we playing oppression olympics now?
Because blacks have it worse Jews should shut up and just be grateful for their privileges? That is defeatist.


It is not about painting streets. It is the right to walk the streets without being attacked because they look Jewish. And it is much more then about wearing full blown Hasidic outfit. People talk about about being afraid to wear a Jewish star or some other symbol out in public. Many synagogues have some sort of armed security. Local police do drive by checkups for synagogues. Most churches don’t need that.


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That describes a a lot of people.

If you are woke you don’t burn books but you try to get those you think are hate speech banned lest they trigger people you agree with and help a cause you don’t like, and you try and make sure the author’s career is halted.

Black and White thinking is what you do. For example one is either activity anti racist or wrong. Non racists might as well be racists because they enable racists. And you literally divide people black oppressed, white privileged.

People you deem haters should have no right to speak. They have no right to eat out with their families without being hassled, it is ok to go on their lawn and use a bullhorn because no justice, no peace.


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06 Jun 2023, 3:18 pm

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goldfish21 wrote:
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That describes a a lot of people.

If you are woke you don’t burn books but you try to get those you think are hate speech banned lest they trigger people you agree with and help a cause you don’t like, and you try and make sure the author’s career is halted.

Black and White thinking is what you do. For example one is either activity anti racist or wrong. Non racists might as well be racists because they enable racists. And you literally divide people black oppressed, white privileged.

People you deem haters should have no right to speak. They have no right to eat out with their families without being hassled, it is ok to go on their lawn and use a bullhorn because no justice, no peace.


Those spouting hate speech should be banned/cancelled/deplatformed etc - as well as possibly criminally charged, prosecuted, convicted and sentenced. That's why there are human rights codes, hate speech & hate crime laws in the criminal code. etc. This isn't really up for debate about whether it should be this way or that - the laws already exist because society & government have determined the way it ought to be already.


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06 Jun 2023, 4:57 pm

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Are we playing oppression olympics now?
Because blacks have it worse Jews should shut up and just be grateful for their privileges? That is defeatist.\.


Let's be frank on why there is a push by republicans to erase certain aspects of US history. The far right has never quite gone away from US society. They remain in the shadows.

CRT barely has to go back more than 40 years....between 1986 and 1990 there was an uptick in far right activities across the US (much like what happened in 2016). White teens in NY were lynching random black men who wandered into Italian or Irish working class neighborhoods
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Be ... ial_attack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Yusef_Hawkins

During this same time Jewish neighborhoods were also being targeted. I was watching a video of a small Jewish girl interviewed around the late 1980s who was told by her parents to take down any "dradels" from the window lest their home get's attacked.

Instead of oppression olympics, I would have thought Jewish and black communities bury the hatchet and work together? same with Asian communities in the US. During the hashtag Asian hate Asian groups should have also sought to make alliances with black communities but chose instead to blame them. And finally in LA hispanic councillors were caught attacking their black constituents. Again divide and rule, The old enemy manipulating minorities to fight each other instead of working together.



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06 Jun 2023, 7:30 pm

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Are we playing oppression olympics now?
Because blacks have it worse Jews should shut up and just be grateful for their privileges? That is defeatist.\.


Let's be frank on why there is a push by republicans to erase certain aspects of US history. The far right has never quite gone away from US society. They remain in the shadows.

CRT barely has to go back more than 40 years....between 1986 and 1990 there was an uptick in far right activities across the US (much like what happened in 2016). White teens in NY were lynching random black men who wandered into Italian or Irish working class neighborhoods
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Be ... ial_attack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Yusef_Hawkins

During this same time Jewish neighborhoods were also being targeted. I was watching a video of a small Jewish girl interviewed around the late 1980s who was told by her parents to take down any "dradels" from the window lest their home get's attacked.

Instead of oppression olympics, I would have thought Jewish and black communities bury the hatchet and work together? same with Asian communities in the US. During the hashtag Asian hate Asian groups should have also sought to make alliances with black communities but chose instead to blame them. And finally in LA hispanic councillors were caught attacking their black constituents. Again divide and rule, The old enemy manipulating minorities to fight each other instead of working together.

For a brief period in the 60’s they did work together. Jews just 20 years removed from the Holocaust and the blacks in the midst of the civil rights movement. Then out of all things a teacher strike happened and it has never been the same.


New York City teachers' strike of 1968

There is a lot of material online that look at the strike from different points of view.


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For a brief period in the 60’s they did work together. Jews just 20 years removed from the Holocaust and the blacks in the midst of the civil rights movement. Then out of all things a teacher strike happened and it has never been the same.


New York City teachers' strike of 1968

There is a lot of material online that look at the strike from different points of view.


I don't buy it, The non-black minorities" (Jews, Asians and hispanics and even native americans) have always sought white adjacency. Within these groups there is colourism and prejudice so I can't see any alliances forming any time in the future.