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09 May 2021, 6:53 am

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I don't think anything should be censored at all.


Snuff films and pedophilia are banned for a reason



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09 May 2021, 7:00 am

That’s called “common sense.” Rather like the relationship between yelling “fire” in a theater when there is none—and its
relationship with Freedom of Speech.

But what “woke” folks are seeking to censor is rather like what the Moral Majority sought to censor in the 1980s.

And what people who felt “moral” sought to censor in the old days.

It just goes too far, to me.



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09 May 2021, 7:09 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
That’s called “common sense.” Rather like the relationship between yelling “fire” in a theater when there is none—and its
relationship with Freedom of Speech.

But what “woke” folks are seeking to censor is rather like what the Moral Majority sought to censor in the 1980s.

And what people who felt “moral” sought to censor in the old days.

It just goes too far, to me.


Consensus should win out over common sense.



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09 May 2021, 8:46 am

cyberdad wrote:
ironpony wrote:
I don't think anything should be censored at all.


Snuff films and pedophilia are banned for a reason


Well if a felony was committed, than that's different, but I don't think if any felony or misdemeanor was committed, than there should be no right to censor in my opinion.



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10 May 2021, 8:13 am

Consensus, most of the time, reflects common sense.

I believe at least 99% of us would believe in banning snuff films and child porn images.



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10 May 2021, 8:53 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Consensus, most of the time, reflects common sense.

I believe at least 99% of us would believe in banning snuff films and child porn images.

In ethics, we hardly have anything better than a consensus over what people find "common sense".


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10 May 2021, 8:59 am

magz wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Consensus, most of the time, reflects common sense.  I believe at least 99% of us would believe in banning snuff films and child porn images.
In ethics, we hardly have anything better than a consensus over what people find "common sense".
What passes for "Common Sense" is neither as common nor as sensible as common people believe.

Were it otherwise, no one would smoke, drive drunk, refuse the coronavirus vaccine, or vote Republican.

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10 May 2021, 10:35 am

I was speaking of banning snuff films and pedophiliac porno images when I was speaking of "common sense" in this instance.



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10 May 2021, 11:13 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
I was speaking of banning snuff films and pedophiliac porno images when I was speaking of "common sense" in this instance.


Yeah I am for a moderate amount of censorship - definitely censor the above, and more...

If there were no censorship on this forum, people would get mean, and the trolls take over... whereas, actually this forum is pretty nice...in my opinion. Nice people... like you... discussing matters in a civil manner...with minimal to no ad hominem...

All I have to do is visit my Facebook Singles group and the opposite is the case.

It is the case, that Aspies can teach the NTs how to run a forum :lol:


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10 May 2021, 4:05 pm

Well the problem with the woke generation and cancel culture in my opinion, is that people are canceled for doing something politically incorrect even if it's way in their past... but a lot of people in the woke generation do not lead politically correct lives and I bet if you were to dig into their pasts all the way to their child hood, heavy investigation, you will find that they have done something that would be considered politically incorrect at some point. No one is perfect. And that's the hypocrisy is that they want to be fascist towards others and cancel them when they refuse to look into their mirror and realize that they have done politically incorrect things in their pasts as well.

They don't believe in the idealogy, "let me who is without sin, cast the first stone" as the quote goes. Now the idealogy is "let all us hypocritical sinners cast stones"

So to say that it's a good thing for calling people out who have done something poltically incorrect in their pasts, or at some point, okay but if you choose to call someone out for that, then you can not have done or said anything to anyone that is politically incorrect your entire life, or you are a hypocrite. And that's why the woke generation seemst to give off a bad vibe because they act like they are a sinless Messiah come to Earth in the flesh, who has the right to judge, when they are just flawed humans like anyone else, but will not accept that.



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10 May 2021, 4:30 pm

magz wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Consensus, most of the time, reflects common sense.

I believe at least 99% of us would believe in banning snuff films and child porn images.

In ethics, we hardly have anything better than a consensus over what people find "common sense".


So discrimination, misogyny and hate speech is also considered unethical due to the psychological harm it creates and I wonder how much consensus there is to support monitoring what's in film in media?

Revising the depiction of characters in old cinema is a no-brainer especially given many Disney movies were created at a time when society was structured very hierarchically.



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10 May 2021, 4:34 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I was speaking of banning snuff films and pedophiliac porno images when I was speaking of "common sense" in this instance.


So that was my earlier point, common sense is based on some type of consensus but as Magz pointed out, morality and ethics doesn't necessarily have consensus in all areas.

In the western world the majority of people don't care if films/media/social media trigger PTSD if it only impacts on a minority. Hence the popular right wing terms "snowflake:" and "woketivists" and "libtards" when these things are pointed out.

It's all in their heads (apparently).



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10 May 2021, 4:37 pm

ironpony wrote:
Well the problem with the woke generation and cancel culture in my opinion, is that people are canceled for doing something politically incorrect even if it's way in their past... but a lot of people in the woke generation do not lead politically correct lives and I bet if you were to dig into their pasts all the way to their child hood, heavy investigation, you will find that they have done something that would be considered politically incorrect at some point. No one is perfect. And that's the hypocrisy is that they want to be fascist towards others and cancel them when they refuse to look into their mirror and realize that they have done politically incorrect things in their pasts as well..


I agree with most of the points here. But as I said, you can have a calm, rationale debate over the content of film, media and social media without some on the right resorting to labelling.



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10 May 2021, 4:40 pm

According to many conservatives, I am a "libtard."

The recent Snow White thing (and many other instances of PC) reminds of when Shakespeare was Bowdlerized in the 18th-19th centuries.

There's lots of ribald stuff in Shakespeare which "offended" people in the Enlightenment Era---so they rewrote Shakespeare to make it "cleaner," hence "Bowdlerizing" it.

Shakespeare's work, unBowdlerized, is essentially a masterpiece, and those 18th century pundits sought to "cancel" it. Ridiculous!

I don't want people to be traumatized----but I also don't want the Arts to be so censored that the idea of free expression is lost.



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10 May 2021, 4:48 pm

But when it comes to the kiss in Snow White who is being traumatized by that, or where are these complaints on that coming from?



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10 May 2021, 4:55 pm

Snow White is supposed to not have "consented" to the kiss from Prince Charming......