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22 Feb 2021, 10:14 pm

Are there really fewer sex comedy movies these days?

Every time a YouTube clip of a memorable scene from those types of movies appears on FB groups I’m in (mostly 80s/90s groups), I see comments that say “This movie couldn’t be made today”

Is the genre really becoming a thing of the past due to MeToo and political correctness?


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23 Feb 2021, 7:57 pm

There are fewer comedies in general now days, with with what comedy there is rolled into other genre, and I can't say much about sex movies in general. Are we going to talk about porn movies?

The thing is that a lot of those old sex comedy movies were super messed up, they often forgave things like rape and sexual assault that were part a part of a culture that saw women as objects. Or in general humour in the idea of men being emasculated by assault from either a woman or another man that can show the sexual empowerment of either as predatory.

To match things like sex comedy with current awareness of toxicity of these old elements, I think that we need a reassessment of pushed against things like purity culture where we don't need to draw a distinction between the pure and the perverse, where humour outside of pure needs give into all these ideas of lowbrow stuff that harms marginalised groups. I am not sure if it is entirely the right fit, but my thoughts goes to the comedy music group The Lonely Island, which quite often took a bit of a perverse and sexual turn, but I think did so with an idea of how it fits within certain politics that might make the sex comedy a bit uncommon now.

A favourite of mine is Spring Break Anthem.

I think that it is fair to say that the song is kind of using sex and comedy together. More clinically the point of the song is meant to point out how ridiculous it is that something as sexually unhealthy as the culture of spring break is treated as completely normal and fun, yet the idea of two men being happy together is treated as far more shocking and a different emotional reaction than it should. There is comedy there.

I am not saying every possible idea of a sex comedy might follow that level of political goal, but there should be a little effort to not outright come across as offensive. I say this as someone who watches a lot of anime, including ones made for adults that can fit a bit into the sex comedy, some can be good, and others can do things that drag a bit behind the West in terms of awareness of certain issues. The picture I am using as an avatar is actually from such a sex comedy anime, and I thought that it was great for how sex positive it was, how hot, its comedy, and make comments about the parts I thought slipped a bit with regards to some minor homophobia. I would be up for if Western movies could do something.


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24 Feb 2021, 2:47 pm

What about a movie like American Pie, is that one of the more good natured sex comedies?



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24 Feb 2021, 3:21 pm

ironpony wrote:
What about a movie like American Pie, is that one of the more good natured sex comedies?


Those are the ones I was referring to.


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24 Feb 2021, 3:31 pm

I miss the old carry on films,
which were all usually good nature'ed risque comedies and not meant to be taken seriously...

you couldn't make films like that any more cause of mad feminist campaigners

such people i feel overly intellectualise their existence and deny their primitive urges
we are all part animal

denying such primitive urges isn't intelligent



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24 Feb 2021, 3:58 pm

What is it about feminists being made over a sex comedy as long as it's good natured though, specifically?



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24 Feb 2021, 4:49 pm

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What is it about feminists being made over a sex comedy as long as it's good natured though, specifically?
It denigrates and exploits women, of course.


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24 Feb 2021, 5:02 pm

madbutnotmad wrote:
I miss the old carry on films,
which were all usually good nature'ed risque comedies and not meant to be taken seriously...


I miss "The Three Stooges."
They were pretty 'sexy'.
Political correctness killed them off early. 8O

I am being disingenuous, here. :mrgreen:

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you couldn't make films like that any more cause of mad feminist campaigners


Political correctness is creating an intellectual dystopia.
Thankfully, I'm old enough to have seen a non-grey universe. 8)
But on the other hand, I can see what we have lost. 8O
Predictable response expected. :mrgreen:


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such people i feel overly intellectualise their existence and deny their primitive urges
we are all part animal


'Virtue-signalling' is very addictive.
Handle with care. 8O

madbutnotmad wrote:
denying such primitive urges isn't intelligent


PC is all about emotions and not intellectual/creative expression. 8)



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24 Feb 2021, 5:08 pm

Fnord wrote:
ironpony wrote:
What is it about feminists being made over a sex comedy as long as it's good natured though, specifically?
It denigrates and exploits women, of course.


I see it as satire regarding the follies/stupidity of the youthful, testosterone saturated, male gender, more often than not.
It becomes repetitive and predictable. :roll:



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24 Feb 2021, 6:22 pm

Bradleigh wrote:
The thing is that a lot of those old sex comedy movies were super messed up, they often forgave things like rape and sexual assault that were part a part of a culture that saw women as objects. Or in general humour in the idea of men being emasculated by assault from either a woman or another man that can show the sexual empowerment of either as predatory.

I was watching a few months ago, the movie Zapped, a sex comedy, with Scott Baio, from 1982, and oh yeah, that would not fly today, at all, unless, the roles are reversed (double standard) and that would be more acceptable today than how it is originally.

Anime is next, or is it already to the path of ending sex comedy? well, some fans claim it is, I have read complains within the anime community on how sexist and "misoginistic" anime is with its ecchi and fan service stuff. Anime is the only thing left in all entertainment when it comes to sex comedy it appears, and is still around, but probably not that much as it used to.

BTW, your avatar (which I like) is from Interspecies Reviewers, right? which is probably very politically incorrect, but is recent.



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24 Feb 2021, 7:19 pm

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BTW, your avatar (which I like) is from Interspecies Reviewers, right? which is probably very politically incorrect, but is recent.


Interspecies Reviewers is generally very consensual. Even though it has a lot of female characters as prostitutes, it does not show them as being forced. And has a main female character who is not a sex worker and is usually treated with respect, with humorous violence for breaking her boundaries that is not treated as sympathetic to the guy.

Not everything is politically correct, but it has its share of positive elements you would not find in something else. As a comparison A show this season literally has a guy brainwashing women and raping as revenge, while having predatory depictions of gay and leabian characters. Which is pretty gross.


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24 Feb 2021, 7:23 pm

Fnord wrote:
ironpony wrote:
What is it about feminists being made over a sex comedy as long as it's good natured though, specifically?
It denigrates and exploits women, of course.


But those sex comedies denigrates and exploits the men to though, so isn't it sexist against both men and women therefore? So why is it that feminists are bothered by it, but men do not seem bothered by it? Are men just more secure about how men are sexually portrayed in those movies compared to women?

I'm pretty much going by the American Pie movies though, and the movie Blockers, because I haven't seen a lot outside of those.



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24 Feb 2021, 8:44 pm

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But those sex comedies denigrates and exploits the men to though, so isn't it sexist against both men and women therefore? So why is it that feminists are bothered by it, but men do not seem bothered by it? Are men just more secure about how men are sexually portrayed in those movies compared to women?

I'm pretty much going by the American Pie movies though, and the movie Blockers, because I haven't seen a lot outside of those.


We can talk about a few things here. First is that culturally women and men play something like a different role in sex; men are to conquer and women to be conquered. If we are talking about a different reaction, a lot of stuff against women is them being dominated or submissive, which is part of the culture that sees women being harassed by men who think that it is what the ladies like.

We can get into another whole discussion about men being dominated or sexually assaulted, and it being played as something like laughs. There is some rather good videos by a channel called Pop Culture Detective on this subject, I will put part 1 bellow but there is also a second part that is about women doing so. They also have several other videos that can be relevant on the subject, specifically I can think of the ones on Big Bang Theory, which goes over a bit of how even supposedly adorkable characters like the ones from that can have troublesome elements of things like misogyny. Especially if we also look at a particular 80s sex comedy movie under heavy criticism, Revenge of the Nerds.



Even if men are the target of exploitation in a something such movie in a way comparable to women often are, and men are mostly okay with that, that itself can be a problem. Men, or males, should not be being led to believe that non-consensual sexual violence against even themselves is funny or even desirable. A particular relevant piece of relevant media was an episode of South Park where all the men after finding out a young boy is being sexually abused by a (hot) female teacher is to keep saying "nice", revealing a weird double standard perpetuated even by males that it gets seen as something not as serious.

These sorts of weird ideas of treating sexual assault or even rape culture as not as serious as it is, does hurt men also.


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24 Feb 2021, 8:46 pm

Oh yes I see your point there. But I wasn't talking about rape scenarios in comedies, I meant just the consensual sex scenarios more. Like for example in the American Pie movies, are those anti-feminist in any way since the female characters want sex just as much as the male ones, and no one is being raped as far as I can remember?

Like if you were make a sex comedy with no rape-ish scenarios in it, then will people still call it out for being anti-feminist, even if the woman are just as consensual as the men and vice versa?



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24 Feb 2021, 9:56 pm

ironpony wrote:
Like if you were make a sex comedy with no rape-ish scenarios in it, then will people still call it out for being anti-feminist, even if the woman are just as consensual as the men and vice versa?


I don't imagine so. Although I have had my experience with people that thought that any porn of woman automatically counts as offensive towards women, but I would tie a lot of that to things like purity culture, which tends to be more right wing. And I would argue is the other half of why sex comedies are not so common, you have people on the right that will call everything sex related as impure and offensive, and then people on the left that care a lot about consent and not spreading toxic attitudes.

In terms of things like consent, you are looking at things like getting people intoxicated like drunk, power imbalances where someone can leverage power over them for favours and other forms of manipulation such as negging as removing some of the full consent of a party. American Pie also had a scene where a girl was without consent being filmed having sex and had it spread to a number of other people, which in that movie I think she was expelled and sent back to her home country, which I don't think expressed the seriousness of that.

In general our culture still shames women for being sexually active, especially with multiple partners, but I would be up for movies that could treat women as empowered without necessarily having to reverse the toxic behaviour, nor feeling exploitative. But there would still have to be comedy in there also, while a lot of the old comedy was in something like how a nerd could trick a woman into thinking he is her boyfriend and to sleep with him.


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24 Feb 2021, 11:26 pm

Oh okay. If the situation where the woman didn't know she was on camera were reversed, and it was a woman who tries to have sex with a man and film it, not knowing he was on camera, and it was done for laughs, I wouldn't be offended if I thought it was done in a funny way. Does that make me bad?

Also, if people are more offended by these things happening to women, because people are more puritan and puritan is more right wing, then why are feminists complaining about things like this in movies, as I thought feminists, were more left wing and not puritan? Unless I am wrong and feminists are more puritan and more right wing?