Aspies in Armed Force especially naval(navy) force? :-)

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25 Feb 2021, 2:04 am

What do you think, I wonder what do you think whether people who have our condition, Asperger, or ADHD, or both can serve the army, I used to be able to do so, on a Polish-language discussion forum, because I am a Pole who wrote that he was called to military service, until 2009 in Poland was obligatory, he did not say that he has mild ADHD and Asperger, he chose to serve in the Polish Navy.
He did not tell them that he had Asperger because he always dreamed about it, even though our Navy is not the Royal Navy or the US Navy :)

he did his compulsory military service and stayed permanently in the Polish Military, I asked a question about it on Yahoo Answer


https://answers.yahoo.com/question/inde ... 811AA11PsO



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25 Feb 2021, 7:41 am

Ask Fnord about it, he is a Navy veteran.


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25 Feb 2021, 3:42 pm

Although ive never served i should imagine it may be the worst job imaginable to an aspie or anyone on the spectrum.

Lack of privacy, emphasis on team work, bullying both by officers & fellow recruits for being different and not fitting in.

Finally huge amounts of time just sitting around forced to socialise with those cooped up with you, for weeks / months.

When i was young i met a schizophrenic who said his condition only came to light under the huge psyicological stress of it all after he joined the army.

Its not unkown for young recruits to commit suicide from the bullying.


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25 Feb 2021, 3:59 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Ask Fnord about it, he is a Navy veteran.
You rang?

I joined the Navy before I was diagnosed.  Boot camp was stressful, but nothing like I had experienced previously (e.g., abused and bullied as a child).  The structure and routine seemed to be exactly what I needed.  However, the interpersonal politics were worse than in high school.  Back-stabbing, false accusations, and people who would "play dumb" to avoid duty or punishment were the unwritten plan of the day.

Case in point: When I took an advancement exam in my rating, I sat at the proctors' table, where the Chief Petty Officers (CPOs) would sit and drink their coffee.  I had with me a pad of blank paper, a Pickett slide rule, and three sharpened #2 pencils.  I was the only test-taker sitting at that table, and the only one taking the advancement exam for my rating in the room.

A few weeks later, the advancement news came out in Stars & Stripes, and my name was listed.  Two days later, the Captain called me in to answer an accusation of cheating.  I answered truthfully, and three CPOs backed up my story.  My accuser was brought in to tell his story, which conflicted in every way with what the CPOs and I had stated -- even the date of the test was wrong.  He pled "Mistaken Identity" and was given a suspended bust and was restricted to the base for 60 days.

Why he lied, I am not sure.  All I know is that for the rest of my tour at that base, half the people saw me as innocent, and the other half saw me as having gamed the system.  I got fed up with having to constantly defend myself against the latter type and let my enlistment lapse.

But what I got out of serving was the Montgomery G.I. bill, VA medical benefits, and no-down-payment status on housing loans.  I also got free dental, medical, and optical treatment while I was in.  Free food and housing, too!


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25 Feb 2021, 4:57 pm

Fnord wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Ask Fnord about it, he is a Navy veteran.
You rang?

I joined the Navy before I was diagnosed.  Boot camp was stressful, but nothing like I had experienced previously (e.g., abused and bullied as a child).  The structure and routine seemed to be exactly what I needed.  However, the interpersonal politics were worse than in high school.  Back-stabbing, false accusations, and people who would "play dumb" to avoid duty or punishment were the unwritten plan of the day.

Case in point: When I took an advancement exam in my rating, I sat at the proctors' table, where the Chief Petty Officers (CPOs) would sit and drink their coffee.  I had with me a pad of blank paper, a Pickett slide rule, and three sharpened #2 pencils.  I was the only test-taker sitting at that table, and the only one taking the advancement exam for my rating in the room.

A few weeks later, the advancement news came out in Stars & Stripes, and my name was listed.  Two days later, the Captain called me in to answer an accusation of cheating.  I answered truthfully, and three CPOs backed up my story.  My accuser was brought in to tell his story, which conflicted in every way with what the CPOs and I had stated -- even the date of the test was wrong.  He pled "Mistaken Identity" and was given a suspended bust and was restricted to the base for 60 days.

Why he lied, I am not sure.  All I know is that for the rest of my tour at that base, half the people saw me as innocent, and the other half saw me as having gamed the system.  I got fed up with having to constantly defend myself against the latter type and let my enlistment lapse.

But what I got out of serving was the Montgomery G.I. bill, VA medical benefits, and no-down-payment status on housing loans.  I also got free dental, medical, and optical treatment while I was in.  Free food and housing, too!


In Poland, nobody asked anyone if anyone wanted to be in the army, in the Polish Army it was in force until 2009, as a child I probably had epilepsy after an accident, while playing with my older cousin, he is still my favorite cousin, but I fell on my head and had a concussion , then the seizures started, I had epilepsy until 1998 when I was 12, epilepsy ended as soon as it started, then Polish doctors decided that it was lorandic epilepsy of idiopathic origin, I remember making jokes about this professor, because I was under the supervision of a professor of science medical consultant in the field of pediatric neurology in Poland, because it was idiopathic epilepsy, he says that I am an idiot? ;-)
This doctor, of course, that the word "idiopathic" is not the Latin medical jargon means that they as doctors do not know what the cause of this disease was.

As I mentioned earlier, military conscription in Poland was until 2009.

But when I was on the draft committee in 2004, the doctor wrote to the medical report that I had obesity, adaptive reaction disorders (it was about autism) and epilepsy.

I was wondering how this son of a b***h knew, probably my mother must have told him one behind my back: D I got health category E which is the worst possible "Completely and permanently unfit for military service in peacetime as well as in the event of a military mobilization during the war :-( I wanted to join the army there, although I was more interested in the aviation or Polish land forces.

My friend, who had a high IQ, landed in our Polish Navy, that since he has to do his military service anyway, he wants to join the Navy, many were surprised by such people, because the basic service for the Polish army is 9 months with the time shortened to 6 months, but service in the Air Force and the Polish Navy it was probably 24 months ! !!

My friend wanted to serve on submarines, the submarine crew is an exception in the scale of the Polish Navy, because all of them are volunteers, nobody forced anyone to be there, it was the elite of the Polish Navy, my friend wrote that the Polish Navy was to order new ships for the Polish Navy in Sweden, Gotland class submarines with disel-electric propulsion but able to whack US Navy ships, reportedly the Swedes sank the American Nimitz-class aircraft carrier during joint exercises :-)

But it was before the pandemic that ruined the Polish budget, now Polish will not be able to afford anything, maybe we will even go bankrupt as a country by the stupid rule of the PiS party, some people joke that they should add another s because then this acronym would be very blunt and would convey meaning in many languages European :-)

Minie friend said that Polish Navy is surprisely very LGBTQ friendly in comparison to Poland society at all, and it was legal many years before UK and US.

But mine friend hidden fact that he had both Asperger's and ADHD :D
He said that in western navies it would be considered as fraudulent enlistment and so does in Poland, but no one would punsh becuase of it :D

Because Royal Navy and US Navy are so Purtiain in this regard but not in Poland

BTW i wonder why so many joking that navy is gaay? :mrgreen:




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25 Feb 2021, 5:04 pm

Had I been diagnosed before trying to join the Navy, they would have rejected me, as well.  It still amazes me how much I accomplished before finding out that I was supposed to be unable to accomplish anything.


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25 Feb 2021, 6:26 pm

Fnord wrote:
Had I been diagnosed before trying to join the Navy, they would have rejected me, as well.  It still amazes me how much I accomplished before finding out that I was supposed to be unable to accomplish anything.



My congratulations, sir :-) I know that your American Armed Forces are the most powerful force in the world, although in a short time you may be the second power behind China.
I hope that it will not happen soon American politicians and some Americans are self-righteous but the British Empire and British countries like Australia, New Zealand and the United States have given a lot of good to the world, even though America is sowing demorcation with rifles in oil-bearing countries xD

Please :-)

What do you think of this US Navy Captain Brett Crozier? whose crew fell ill with the coronovirus? f*****g Covid-19
Was he dismissed by your ex-president Trump rightly or wrongly?
What do Americans think of the new Biden / Harris Administration?

My internet buddy whom I met on a similar Polish-language website, for Poles with Asperger Syndrome, ADHD and similar ailments.

This one said he hadn't said he had always dreamed of serving at sea and ADHD or Asperger would not stop him, that the US military has such an exaggerated emphasis on honesty that if someone were to discriminate against non-white people or white people but of the Jewish faith, soon there would be the roar of all world leftism, and rightly so, because people should not be discriminated against on the basis of race or religion :-(
But if someone is not neurotypical, it can be tormented and discriminated against when neither autistic disorders, with the exception of severe autism, nor ADHD are in most cases serious mental diseases like schizophrenia :-(

This friend wrote that the irony of fate was that Poland, the most homophobic EU country, does not discriminate against gays because of sexual orientation, that from the perspective of our Christian faith (the Catholic version in the case of Poland, he considers homosexuality a sin, that he is a believer, that some consider homosexuality unnatural when Bottlenose dolphins are the only one of the few mammals in the world, apart from the humanoid, apes and our species of Homo Sapiens, to have sex for pleasure with their other half, including homosexual sex: D
Although he doesn't bragging his LGBTQ status but also not hide :)

That he allowed himself to be enlisted in the Polish Navy, he may say that he is openly gay, but he could have blemished if he said that he concealed the fact that he had ASD / ADHD, that in his opinion it was not other people fucnkng business! his status as a non-neurotropic person!
Da Vinci, Issack Newton Tesla the Wright Brothers was maybe Aspie, ADHD or both!

BTW i heard that legendary Astronut Neil Armstong might be a bit on Spectrum too :mrgreen:

I known that he was US Navy Pilot before being Astronaut? :D