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What is th worst aspect of Current Social Media (choose three)?
Privacy 23%  23%  [ 9 ]
Lack of Accountability 10%  10%  [ 4 ]
Fraud 8%  8%  [ 3 ]
Impersonation 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
Archaic Rules 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Hidden Agendas 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
Propoganda 18%  18%  [ 7 ]
People with multiple accounts 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Unusual 'rules' that ellude Autistics 5%  5%  [ 2 ]
Hard to find potential freinds 8%  8%  [ 3 ]
A general nastiness of users 25%  25%  [ 10 ]
Sarcasm and Joke Answers 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Total votes : 40

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28 May 2021, 10:27 pm

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Interesting project idea. On a similar note, I've considered building a social network for aspies before (and the concept could easily be broadened to anyone who has different interests and may not fit in on regular social networks). My primary idea was to provide a space for aspies to display their talents to others and engage more easily around their special interests. In particular any creative types could share their artwork or creations with a wider audience and that naturally provides an avenue for conversations to form around it. I think something like this could bring people together around common interests, something that current social networks can be hit or miss on.

I'd love to hear your ideas, or compare notes. This is the kind of thing I'm shooting for as well, especially in Phase 2.

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Anyway, good luck with the project. I hope yours will succeed.

Did yours fail? Or did you stop working on it? Or did your interest change?

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I think you'll need to share more of the idea to attract interest. My advice is not to worry too much about someone stealing your idea because most people don't have the time and energy to build it and even if they did, you can just build it better. The idea isn't where the value is. The value is in the execution, the end product. For a social network the value isn't even in what you build. Ultimately it will be in the people who use it and the ability to attract more people to it.


I hear you here. I suffer from a negative bias, that I'm working on. But, that will take time. So, for now, I've created an "interview Discord" server. Where people who are interested can come and we can get to know each other either privately (I prefer public talks thought, as I want to share the ideas with everyone). If ANYONE wants to come check it out, see where I'm going with this thing, PM me, and I'll send you a Invite link to the discord server. I have another Discord server where I AM share ALL my ideas with everyone in it. Currently there are only two of us in it, but I'm hoping to get some more people involved as well. Get some forward momentum...

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If you're using Unity, is it intended to be a game or something more like second life? Or would there be a web app as well, more like a typical social network?


Yes, I want to learn Unity as my favorite games are written with it (The Long Dark, and Rimworld). So, I want to try and use it where I can to make the GUIs in the apps I create in the plateform to be fun, etc. I too have some ideas about gamified social networks. Points, Experience, Reputation, Etc. If I can get the basic app done, I do have some ideas that I want to help create (help my team that is, that's where you come in...)

I'm also hoping that a lot of indie developers with either create their games on my platform Or port existing games to the platform. I talked to this other guy whose trying to create a Noded Game Universe, where each game exists at these nodes in a greater network. It was a neat concept, but he's busy designing the 3D objects (graphics) for the game world. Looks more like a Mindcraft guy...



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28 May 2021, 10:32 pm

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sitko wrote:
I'm working on a software project, and looking for other aspie developers, preferably Microsoft Stack (C#, javascript), but I'm not rigid in this technology.

I would strongly recommend that you avoid Microsoft in favor of something that can run on a Unix-like (Linux or BSD) server. Microsoft still is much more vulnerable to malware.

And there are many advantages to using open source products, besides the fact that they don't cost you any money. (Free as in freedom, not just free as in free beer. And, for even more freedom, use BSD and/or Apache-licensed stuff, not GNU/GPL, but that's another matter....)

It's just what I know. I'm planning for this to just be a prototype anyway. When I sell the idea (or find investors), I'll let them help me make better decisions about the APP.

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As for languages, I would recommend Java (servlets, NOT applets), on the back end. Java is in the same general language family as C#, so should be easy for you to learn. I recommend Java servlets via Apache Tomcat (not plain Apache) as your web server.

For web front end there's not much choice other than Javascript. If you want phone apps as well as a web front end, you could use either Objective C or Swift for the front end on an iphone.


Well, if you sign up, and agree to be in charge of Development, we can do it that way. But, if I'm going to be writing any code, and I suspect I will be. I really would prefer to do it in the environment I'm comfortable in...



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29 May 2021, 2:18 am

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What is th worst aspect of Current Social Media (choose three)?

The algorithm.

I hate that sites like Facebook bury or hide your posts if you aren't "popular". If I wanted to participate in a popularity contest, I'd go back to high school.
I hate that if you run a page (like for my band), nobody will see your posts unless you spam like crazy (but that was before they changed their policies, and now nobody has band or product pages on FB because it's not worth it).
I hate that you have to use tricks like picture posts, imogies, GIANT POST FEW LETTERS, spam your wall during peak activity, etc. just to get maybe six views.

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You've gotten away with this so far, but don't count on getting away with it indefinitely. Facebook does occasionally (and unpredictably) crack down and require some people to upload a scan of photo ID.

Uh oh. I've been using a fake name for years, and haven't run into that O_O
Well, technically it's not fake, it's my real first name three times.


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29 May 2021, 10:21 am

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I would have to say the bots and scammers.


Well, my App wouldn't have scammers, each user has one account assigned to them, this is linked to them as people, if you scammed someone, it would be saved in the database, and you'd quickly get banned and reported to authorities.



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29 May 2021, 10:34 am

The TL:DR at the bottom - network effects in social and economic systems.


The big problem I see with what's happening online - we can't get ourselves into the 21st century in our thinking about how social dynamics work.

For example we've accepted Darwinian evolution in other animals but most of us have thrown it out the window for ourselves, even though there clearly seems to be principles by which you have differential success, heritability, etc.. What's also clear is that fitness in this landscape isn't necessarily built around morality or virtue, quite often if it's not extreme and practical genius (ie. someone who can patent something and get rich) it's about grifting and finding ways to steal without being caught.

We also have a supply-side problem. On any of these issues I highly recommend Daniel Schmachtenberger and Jordan Hall as they get into the weeds of the game theory quite well, but lets just say that in a small town several hundred years ago you had markets. You might have several different people selling shoes that they themselves made. You could both evaluate their product, talk to them directly, the power dynamic was relatively even-handed. Fast-forward to today, you don't and can't have that relationship with Nike, nor Apple, nor Google, it's incredibly difficult to organize massive user groups to put pressure on companies, and especially with companies like Google and Facebook you have significant information asymmetries. This leads to a lot of problems but among them, with social media, you have the kinds of things Tristan Harris often points out and somewhat dumbed down for 'The Social Dilemma'. You have supply-side realizing that the best way to turn a profit also isn't to share best interest with your customers/consumers but to actually form a dealer/addict relationship, that happens in one sense where if you're selling something that becomes an ubiquitous product (like smart phones) eventually everyone either has to have one or gets excluded, and you also have planned obsolescence which keeps the churn going and keeps your customers needing to buy the latest version of the same product every few years while discarding the one they had which, for the most part, was working perfectly fine unless certain pieces were deliberately built to only last that amount of time.

There's a Slate Star Codex article called 'Meditations on Moloch' that maybe gets a bit hyperbolic in places (or pulls on strange metaphors like artistic/painting rats vs aggressively forraging rats on an island) but gets at the payouts that come from defection and illustrates the problem of multipolar traps. Multipolar traps encourage things like tragedy of the commons through understandings like 'It'll be destroyed anyway - if there's profit to be made in that destruction better me than my opponent', so its a race to see who can take the selfish action first. That's not just about environmental depletion and extinction of species (such as Daniel Schmachtenberger's whaling analogy) but it also extends - relevant to your concerns - to social media platforms, on the advertising model, where if they don't race to the bottom on limbic hijack and proliferation of titillating fake news then the competitors who do all of that will eat their market share.


I think our biggest weakness online is our refusal to accept that, with humans, and maybe for a moment side-lining arguments about whether there's free will or determnism, you at least have one's own capacity for free-agency (based on internal states) deeply decreased by the presence of arms races and multipolar traps.

If for example someone presents you a deal that you can't refuse without taking a deep cut - either financially or in terms of social status (such as 'Kiss this man's boot or you're a proven white supremacist and we'll dox you out of your job'), there are very few people who will have such a support structure, stable income, or whatever forms of insulation to say no, take that cut, and move on. Society gets entrained, and really subjugated to, these various forms of extortion and it's part of how bullies climb their way to high places in organization (everyone has too much to lose to adequately deal with them). Similarly you can have absolutely terrible employers here in the US and people have to put up with it because labor has very little power and we have little in the way of mechanisms for turn-around or proper measurements of when to stay in a job and take damage or where most recruiters would be sympathetic to what happened without reading your story as you bad-mouthing your past employer and showing that there's a problem with you (historically the later has been the more common read).



To give a shorter summary of the above or to encapsulate it - it seems like most of our problems are network effects, and of those network effects it seems like arms races and in particular multipolar traps of that subset seem like they're some of the worst.


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29 May 2021, 10:42 am

sitko, some thoughts for your app:

1) To have an advertisement-free model and to be able to avoid success being limbic hijack you'd probably need to work out a paid subscription model.

2) To have a paid subscription model be successful, at least at the start, you'd need to serve some niche community in ways that no one is currently. Probably best of all if it's a certain professional community, like doing something better than Linked In can do.

3) The subscription weighed against benefits has to be low enough for a lot of people to be willing to pay it for the benefit but high enough for scammers and spammers to not find it worth their while.


The last point, for thinking about 'shaping' user behavior for the positive, look at Audrey Tang's interview on Youtube. I forgot the exact name of his office, something like information ministry in Taiwan, but he's been really forward thinking in terms of architecting something like social media for approximating direct democracy or at least getting as many people as possible feeling like they're heard. It's also been great for engaging the community, heading off fake news and misinformation at the pass, and when they hold open forum they handle the comment stack in ways that disincentive boorish behavior (ie. you can't filibuster and crowd everyone out).


You'd be building something, by and large, geared to be boring and wholesome. From that perspective the most important audience you could sell this to are people who wouldn't just find boring and wholesome 'nice' to have but actually need it, particularly for things like how they make their income.


This is part of why I'd recommend that if you're going to do something experimental you may want to think of pitching it to a market that will pay for your R&D, and if that works out well and you learn a lot in the process let that be your prototype for then building something for the autistic community.


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29 May 2021, 11:11 am

Mona Pereth wrote:
Below are reviews of possible alternatives to Unity (although I can't personally vouch for how good any of them are):

...

Anyhow, from what I've read, it appears that Unity can be used on platforms other than Microsoft. Still there are many advantages of going with something open-source if you can.


As I understand it, most languages can interface with an API. So, any language could really be used I suppose, as long as the code is readable and well documented. I plan to have an API that protects the Users data. Any Interfaces, or Additional front ends created for this 'platform' would have access to the same API calls that other languages could use. If we needed to create special API calls for a particular language, we'd do that.



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29 May 2021, 11:28 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
sitko, some thoughts for your app:

1) To have an advertisement-free model and to be able to avoid success being limbic hijack you'd probably need to work out a paid subscription model.

Can you explain limbic hijack? I may of come off the ledge a bit about advertisement free. I think I'd let the Users decide to join a Group that is JUST advertisements. If they watch them for X amount of minutes, they get paid X amount of points. A way to earn points straight from the Advertisers. And the User can decide on a one-to-one basis to block or see any given advertisement.

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
2) To have a paid subscription model be successful, at least at the start, you'd need to serve some niche community in ways that no one is currently. Probably best of all if it's a certain professional community, like doing something better than Linked In can do.

3) The subscription weighed against benefits has to be low enough for a lot of people to be willing to pay it for the benefit but high enough for scammers and spammers to not find it worth their while.


I'm definitely not doing a subscription model. User CAN invest in the APP, if they choose, and I suppose there will be some abilities for a User to be able to buy their way out of 'required tasks'. My App is currently going to pay its Users when we access their data. We'll allow the User to control who can and can't see it. The User must opt-in to share data with others. We automatically will hide all the data they share with us. There will hopefully be investors into the app, and I figured I'd let Users 'invest' as an alternative means to getting points. But, they'd be a special point types, different from my other point types.

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
The last point, for thinking about 'shaping' user behavior for the positive, look at Audrey Tang's interview on YouTube. I forgot the exact name of his office, something like information ministry in Taiwan, but he's been really forward thinking in terms of architecting something like social media for approximating direct democracy or at least getting as many people as possible feeling like they're heard. It's also been great for engaging the community, heading off fake news and misinformation at the pass, and when they hold open forum they handle the comment stack in ways that disincentive boorish behavior (ie. you can't filibuster and crowd everyone out).

I'll try to find that, does it have English subtitles?

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
You'd be building something, by and large, geared to be boring and wholesome. From that perspective the most important audience you could sell this to are people who wouldn't just find boring and wholesome 'nice' to have but actually need it, particularly for things like how they make their income.


I've changed my view on this a bit over time. I want it to be a positive experience for all it's users, but what defines 'positive' to one person will be different to another. If someone is into porn and wants to associate in that world, there will probably be porn in this APP, as porn makes up like 50% of the internet right? So, if Users joined a group called "Positive Messages" then the goal of THAT group would be to be wholesome or positive. But, what's positive might be different from one group to the next.

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
This is part of why I'd recommend that if you're going to do something experimental you may want to think of pitching it to a market that will pay for your R&D, and if that works out well and you learn a lot in the process let that be your prototype for then building something for the autistic community.


Early on, I considered this. Trying to sell my idea to a Billionaire, and in a sense, I'm still considering that...especially, if I could reach Elon Musk. I think he'd be an ideal investor in this effort. I really like how most of his companies are about trying to help Mankind improve his condition. I even have been working on a letter to the Musk organization, as I figure they'd appreciate aspies, since Elon is also an aspie.

And once I got my website up and running, I will probably make a 'alternative' webview of my site for Investors.

But, really, I'm doing the R&D right now. Well, mostly D, but some R, like watching the video above...



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29 May 2021, 11:54 am

sitko wrote:
Can you explain limbic hijack?

It's the way that both advertisers and fake news end up turning dopamine into $$.

Human attention is pulled toward the unusual, and particularly the threatening because the threatening has more possibility of destabilizing a person's safety or circumstances. Tristan Harris was talking about how, at least for an unfortunately long stretch of time, Facebook and Youtube algorithms were sending recommended videos or recommended groups that would send people down conspiracy rabbit holes. The reason this happened - the algorithms were set to increase a user's time on site and one of the best ways to enhance time on site is user fixation on conspiracy theories.

When it's an algorithm doing this we tend to think of it as something like a Nick Bostrom paperclip-maximizer problem. When it's corporate advertising boards employing these techniques it's just considered successful marketing.


sitko wrote:
Can you explain limbic hijack? I may of come off the ledge a bit about advertisement free. I think I'd let the Users decide to join a Group that is JUST advertisements. If they watch them for X amount of minutes, they get paid X amount of points. A way to earn points straight from the Advertisers. And the User can decide on a one-to-one basis to block or see any given advertisement.

I almost think a games model might be good for this, ie. matching people to things they'd want, helping them filter out things they don't want. For example I find that I mostly get Facebook ads for artisan chocolates, advanced meal supplement blends, coffee alternatives, and various bio-hacker supplements, which I don't mind.

I think the goal is to decrease bad behavior encouraged by advertiser competition or the reward for spreading fake news. For the fake news the goal might not be to reward number of reposts or comments but rather some other metric that tunes down reward and promotion when it's just salacious content.

sitko wrote:
I'm definitely not doing a subscription model. User CAN invest in the APP, if they choose, and I suppose there will be some abilities for a User to be able to buy their way out of 'required tasks'. My App is currently going to pay its Users when we access their data. We'll allow the User to control who can and can't see it. The User must opt-in to share data with others. We automatically will hide all the data they share with us. There will hopefully be investors into the app, and I figured I'd let Users 'invest' as an alternative means to getting points. But, they'd be a special point types, different from my other point types.

So yeah - I guess anti-trolling architecture and, among other things being able to buy-out of advertising might not be a bad way to go.

sitko wrote:
I'll try to find that, does it have English subtitles?

Interestingly enough most of the conversations he's had lately are with English-speakers (the most recent one I watched was him talking to Tristan Harris and Forrest Landry) and his English is pretty good so most of them will be in English.

sitko wrote:
I've changed my view on this a bit over time. I want it to be a positive experience for all it's users, but what defines 'positive' to one person will be different to another. If someone is into porn and wants to associate in that world, there will probably be porn in this APP, as porn makes up like 50% of the internet right? So, if Users joined a group called "Positive Messages" then the goal of THAT group would be to be wholesome or positive. But, what's positive might be different from one group to the next.

That actually points out one of the biggest problems I'm finding with Minds. At first I liked the idea of what they were doing but then I figured out rather quickly that the fastest way to rack up points was either spam salacious content or post porn. If you did neither of those two things nor anything like quick-hit point scoring then you'd be way behind in ranking and no one would see your posts. You can see how fast point scoring can cause the cream to fall to the bottom and the crap to rise to the top.

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techstepgenr8tion wrote:
This is part of why I'd recommend that if you're going to do something experimental you may want to think of pitching it to a market that will pay for your R&D, and if that works out well and you learn a lot in the process let that be your prototype for then building something for the autistic community.


Early on, I considered this. Trying to sell my idea to a Billionaire, and in a sense, I'm still considering that...especially, if I could reach Elon Musk. I think he'd be an ideal investor in this effort. I really like how most of his companies are about trying to help Mankind improve his condition. I even have been working on a letter to the Musk organization, as I figure they'd appreciate aspies, since Elon is also an aspie.

Another example comes to mind (maybe not the case you'd aim for but a framing of the right kind of situation). Jonathan Haidt founded 'Heterodox Academy' for academics who've been trying to stick to Enlightenment liberalism, scientific method, and avoid being heckled under by populist and reactionary movements that have been invading the colleges and curriculums with over 1,000 academics from around the world. Most really nuanced communication and discussion can only really happen in the absence of hecklers. With hecklers the conversation is forced down to the level of the heckler, therefore strong and healthy gate-keeping and exclusion are incredibly important. This is also part of how scammers and trolls are kept out by paid subscriptions although that's only one method.

Point being - the better you can anti-troll and anti-spam/anti-cheese your architecture the friendlier your platform becomes for people who are trying to set a meeting space to get important things done.


sitko wrote:
And once I got my website up and running, I will probably make a 'alternative' webview of my site for Investors.

But, really, I'm doing the R&D right now. Well, mostly D, but some R, like watching the video above...

I'm sure it's a lot, particularly if you're attempting to build a huge outward-facing site with strong security and a particularly friendly UI.

With some of Audrey Tang's stuff, you may find some of his suggestions useful for meeting rooms and the like. For the main platform of the site, that's probably going to be algorithm tuning - ie. what to promote vs. demote. Actually here it seems like Reddit's doing pretty well for having thumbs-down as well as thumbs-up and it also helps to have some kind of feature where instead of a like button its a button that says 'This was usefully salient information' or 'This post, discussion, or user changed my mind about something' and let that be a promotion metric.


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29 May 2021, 1:01 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
sitko wrote:
Can you explain limbic hijack?

It's the way that both advertisers and fake news end up turning dopamine into $$.

Human attention is pulled toward the unusual, and particularly the threatening because the threatening has more possibility of destabilizing a person's safety or circumstances. Tristan Harris was talking about how, at least for an unfortunately long stretch of time, Facebook and Youtube algorithms were sending recommended videos or recommended groups that would send people down conspiracy rabbit holes. The reason this happened - the algorithms were set to increase a user's time on site and one of the best ways to enhance time on site is user fixation on conspiracy theories.

When it's an algorithm doing this we tend to think of it as something like a Nick Bostrom paperclip-maximizer problem. When it's corporate advertising boards employing these techniques it's just considered successful marketing.


sitko wrote:
Can you explain limbic hijack? I may of come off the ledge a bit about advertisement free. I think I'd let the Users decide to join a Group that is JUST advertisements. If they watch them for X amount of minutes, they get paid X amount of points. A way to earn points straight from the Advertisers. And the User can decide on a one-to-one basis to block or see any given advertisement.

I almost think a games model might be good for this, ie. matching people to things they'd want, helping them filter out things they don't want. For example I find that I mostly get Facebook ads for artisan chocolates, advanced meal supplement blends, coffee alternatives, and various bio-hacker supplements, which I don't mind.

I think the goal is to decrease bad behavior encouraged by advertiser competition or the reward for spreading fake news. For the fake news the goal might not be to reward number of reposts or comments but rather some other metric that tunes down reward and promotion when it's just salacious content.

sitko wrote:
I'm definitely not doing a subscription model. User CAN invest in the APP, if they choose, and I suppose there will be some abilities for a User to be able to buy their way out of 'required tasks'. My App is currently going to pay its Users when we access their data. We'll allow the User to control who can and can't see it. The User must opt-in to share data with others. We automatically will hide all the data they share with us. There will hopefully be investors into the app, and I figured I'd let Users 'invest' as an alternative means to getting points. But, they'd be a special point types, different from my other point types.

So yeah - I guess anti-trolling architecture and, among other things being able to buy-out of advertising might not be a bad way to go.

sitko wrote:
I'll try to find that, does it have English subtitles?

Interestingly enough most of the conversations he's had lately are with English-speakers (the most recent one I watched was him talking to Tristan Harris and Forrest Landry) and his English is pretty good so most of them will be in English.

sitko wrote:
I've changed my view on this a bit over time. I want it to be a positive experience for all it's users, but what defines 'positive' to one person will be different to another. If someone is into porn and wants to associate in that world, there will probably be porn in this APP, as porn makes up like 50% of the internet right? So, if Users joined a group called "Positive Messages" then the goal of THAT group would be to be wholesome or positive. But, what's positive might be different from one group to the next.

That actually points out one of the biggest problems I'm finding with Minds. At first I liked the idea of what they were doing but then I figured out rather quickly that the fastest way to rack up points was either spam salacious content or post porn. If you did neither of those two things nor anything like quick-hit point scoring then you'd be way behind in ranking and no one would see your posts. You can see how fast point scoring can cause the cream to fall to the bottom and the crap to rise to the top.

sitko wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
This is part of why I'd recommend that if you're going to do something experimental you may want to think of pitching it to a market that will pay for your R&D, and if that works out well and you learn a lot in the process let that be your prototype for then building something for the autistic community.


Early on, I considered this. Trying to sell my idea to a Billionaire, and in a sense, I'm still considering that...especially, if I could reach Elon Musk. I think he'd be an ideal investor in this effort. I really like how most of his companies are about trying to help Mankind improve his condition. I even have been working on a letter to the Musk organization, as I figure they'd appreciate aspies, since Elon is also an aspie.

Another example comes to mind (maybe not the case you'd aim for but a framing of the right kind of situation). Jonathan Haidt founded 'Heterodox Academy' for academics who've been trying to stick to Enlightenment liberalism, scientific method, and avoid being heckled under by populist and reactionary movements that have been invading the colleges and curriculums with over 1,000 academics from around the world. Most really nuanced communication and discussion can only really happen in the absence of hecklers. With hecklers the conversation is forced down to the level of the heckler, therefore strong and healthy gate-keeping and exclusion are incredibly important. This is also part of how scammers and trolls are kept out by paid subscriptions although that's only one method.

Point being - the better you can anti-troll and anti-spam/anti-cheese your architecture the friendlier your platform becomes for people who are trying to set a meeting space to get important things done.


This is my idea exactly. Get rid of the trolls, scammers, and evil-doers. Just get the Autistics, Scientists, Artists, Humanitarians into the Room together, and let's start solving PROBLEMS!

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sitko wrote:
And once I got my website up and running, I will probably make a 'alternative' webview of my site for Investors.

But, really, I'm doing the R&D right now. Well, mostly D, but some R, like watching the video above...

I'm sure it's a lot, particularly if you're attempting to build a huge outward-facing site with strong security and a particularly friendly UI.

With some of Audrey Tang's stuff, you may find some of his suggestions useful for meeting rooms and the like. For the main platform of the site, that's probably going to be algorithm tuning - ie. what to promote vs. demote. Actually here it seems like Reddit's doing pretty well for having thumbs-down as well as thumbs-up and it also helps to have some kind of feature where instead of a like button its a button that says 'This was usefully salient information' or 'This post, discussion, or user changed my mind about something' and let that be a promotion metric.


I definitely am borrrowing some concepts from Reddit, Groups, Points, etc. I think my take will be a better version. I'd sure like to chat with you some off-line. What kind of work do you do? Are you working now?



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29 May 2021, 1:16 pm

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I definitely am borrrowing some concepts from Reddit, Groups, Points, etc. I think my take will be a better version. I'd sure like to chat with you some off-line. What kind of work do you do? Are you working now?

I am working now, different biome though - B2B for quoting apps, CRM, and most recently a large finance app.

The filter I'm really looking at these things through is largely what you could call 'GameB'. If you're familiar with The Stoa, Rebel Wisdom, Jim Rutt's podcasts, and a lot of the complex systems thinkers associated with that circle you get an idea for what sorts of things I've been tuning in on.


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The filter I'm really looking at these things through is largely what you could call 'GameB'. If you're familiar with The Stoa, Rebel Wisdom, Jim Rutt's podcasts, and a lot of the complex systems thinkers associated with that circle you get an idea for what sorts of things I've been tuning in on.

Speaking of that, Daniel Schmachtenberger on Coleman Hughes show:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQpoGL0yIFE


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This is a really great idea. I would suggest something that helps bring people together not only by common interests, but also by locale, to increase the likelihood that people can meet in person.


Definitely, one of the Apps I have in mind, is a way to meet like-minded people nearby. Let's say you have an unusual hobby and it's hard to find others who like this activity. My App could help people find each other.

Another idea I have is that I could use this to meet people and not necessarily explain my special interests with them by voice, but instead they can read articles I write about them. I get the ideas out of my brain (which is why I like to talk about these things, but do it in a less irritating way.)

When they come to my website, they'll see a textbox and a submit button. Some instructions come up if a ? is pressed. The instructions explain, that you can either enter your username, your passphrase, or an 'interest'. So, if it's a stranger, they might type an interest "board games" and it would let me know that, and let them know that I share that interest with them. If they allow me to save a cookie on their computer, next time they come to the site, they can try another interest item, or create a username. A passphrase is something I plan to use with my personal site, which is a bunch of business cards I can keep in my wallet, to hand out to potential friends/lovers/dates/etc. They will have a catch phrase on them, which will be coded, so I recognize which phrase means what. There would probably be cards for people I'd like to date, people I want to work with, people I want to become friends with, people I don't want to lose contact with.

If they create a username, they will be shown the Terms Of Use, which will be easy to read. They will understand that this is an experimental website that I've created to study the ways that neurotypical's think. This tool is an effort to improve my communication skills with the help of this 'tool', the App. Once I have several communication aids created and working to my satisfaction, I plan to share my tool with other autistics who have these issues. I do want this tool to help me communicate better, and I want to share it with my autistic brothers and sisters.

Once we've improved it and invited good friends and families who agree to the terms, we'll slowly open it up to all of society.



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Oh and one more thing. I would be interesting to have a chat client where messages dissapeared very quickly as if it were a real conversation, maybe even sending each keystroke directly (though that would be a bit extreme and privacy concern). I find a lot of chat clients are overwhelming, you send a message now, get a response in an hour after having forgotten what you even said. It would be interesting if you had to schedule/request a meeting with someone and then act as if it were a real conversation.

If you wanted to take a break you'd have to let them know directly, if you didn't whatever they said would be gone when you came back.


One issue with doing this is that it would require both parties to be on the app at the same time and paying attention to it.

My sister and I use Telegram to communicate. It is sometimes interactive and sometimes not interactive. If it was never interactive, e-mail would suffice.

Even when it is interactive, if on of us is on the telephone or steps out momentarily to the kitchen or the bathroom, it will still be there when we get back.

If you do want a text based chat method like you describe, look at the old UNIX talk command. While it can be useful at times, it doesn't work at all as a general solution to communications over the Internet. I used to know someone who used it to talk to a friend of hers a thousand miles away. To make it work, they would each go to their computer on a schedule (right after supper) and wait for the other to join her.



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Well, one of the big ideas in my App, is that the User could decide how the interfaces worked, they could set message-time-out=2 minutes. Something like that, if you only wanted messages to persist for so long...

I personally, wouldn't like that, as I don't want to miss anything said. Communication is how I get more data for my internal experiments. It just sucks that I live with two of the most unforgiving people I've ever known. They've watched as I've gone through this crazy mid-life crisis (my discovery of my autism and my C-PTSD). And they insist I talked to them ONLY in the ways, THEY are comfortable with.

The idea of my app, is that each user communicates the best way that they can. And the Interface, that I plan for myself, will include alternative ways to communicate social cues, by way of surveys, and other interesting apps.



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This is a social media poll, not a coder poll. My favorite programming language is Lisp.


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