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20 Jun 2021, 1:48 pm

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I want to make one comment here about the parents who are campaigning against their curriculum being supposedly infliltrated by BLM and communists :roll:

These are the same parents who voted with their feet when school segregation and housing segregation (redlining) was mandated to be illegal back in the 1960s and 1970s (I can assure you 99% of white parents (democrat or republican) wouldn't have been jumping up and down with glee at the prospect of black kids living next door to their precious darlings or going to the same schools)

A well known phenomena took place (it also happened in Australia) called white flight. As non-white people moved into white neighborhoods those whitefolk with money were the first to flee further away from the city centres. Other later joined them. Areas that were desegregated became segregated again. The same thing happened in schools.

White parents took loans to remove their children from public schools and move them to private/fee paying schools with predominately white schools. In Australia they did it to avoid Asian/immigrant kids, In the US it was to avoid blacks (that's the only distinction).

I find it amusing therefore these same parent groups are now fighting against social inclusion in a covert sneaky manner by attacking the teaching of black history. Why? They claim their "little darlings" are such snowflakes they will have self-esteem problems if they hear about what black people experienced at the hands of their ancestors. Of course that's not true. The real reason is that it might make their kids want to be friends with black people. The ultimate fear of every white parent, they might make friends, mix and date them. This is undesirable for most white parents (whether rebublican or democrat). Except for republicans who are more socially conservative its likely unthinkable.

I'm sorry I know people don't want to hear this stuff but its the real reason i) 99% don't have any idea what's in their chidren's school curriculum (I do) ii) school subjects (whether in Australia or the US) are divided by discipline.

If a child is learning STEM subjects (Science, technology, engineering or math) there is zero (I repeat) zero content that's related to race/social justice

If they are studying medicine/health/biology then there is zero content related to race/social justice

If the children are learning business law in college/university there is zero content related to race/social justice

If they are learning arts/design there is zero content related to race/social justice

If they are learnings vocational trades/skills there is zero content related to race/social justice

The one topic in school that is mandatory where race is mentioned is history. Every one of these obnoxious dumb parents probably know that regardless of the content of this topic that virtually no child learning this topic is going to end up working or getting a job as a historian except for the handful who end up being history teachers or who work in a museum. History lessons fill in the same amount of time for kids regardless of CRT or the 1619 project or any other black history content. The percentage of black history doesn't change. If white kids want to focus on English literature, European renaissance, arts, languages, European history they can both in school and college. There is zero chance that black history curriculum will converted white kids to join BLM or become crack addicted single mothers with multiple black babies which is I think the secret fear of these parents.

If anything CRT/black history is sucking in smart black kids who pick social justice/African American studies as majors when their parents probably wished they picked Law. engineering or medicine. ironically less competition for white and Asian kids.

No worries about starting a accidental duplicate thread. I have done it, and probably most here have done it.

Now about those STEM courses
’WOKE MATH’ IN SCHOOLS PROMPTS DEBATE
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The Seattle public school system has developed a new initiative to teach math that’s causing a bit of controversy. Whether it will one day lead to perfect SAT scores remains to be seen, but that might be beside the point. Officially titled “Math Ethnic Studies,” the proposed scheme is known colloquially as “Woke Math.”

Woke Math is a reference to the plan’s intention to tie the subject of mathematics to social issues, history and critical thinking, among other disciplines. Not surprisingly, it’s a controversial proposal and one which, in true mathematical fashion, receives equal parts criticism and compliments.

Colin Seale of Forbes.com explains the gist of the concept, “A middle school teacher used a social justice framework to give her students this conceptual understanding,” Seale wrote. “She taught at a middle school in the East Flatbush neighborhood of Brooklyn, NY.”

Seale continued, “After introducing the concept of average, she told a story about watching a 60 Minutes episode where they were interviewing a South African leader during the apartheid era. It seemed a little off-base at first. But she went on to explain that when the reporter asked a question about South Africa’s incredible income gap the government official defensively responded by explaining that the average South African income was one of the highest in the world.”

What happened next, Seale said, “Then she recalled the interviewer’s follow-up question that left the official speechless and caused a metaphysical change in every student in that classroom: ‘If one of your feet is a bucket of boiling water, and your other foot is in bucket of ice-cold water, on average, are you comfortable?’


In the Name of Equity, California Will Discourage Students Who Are Gifted at Math
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The draft of the framework is hundreds of pages long and covers a wide range of topics. But its overriding concern is inequity. The department is worried that too many students are sorted into different math tracks based on their natural abilities, which leads some to take calculus by their senior year of high school while others don't make it past basic algebra. The department's solution is to prohibit any sorting until high school, keeping gifted kids in the same classrooms as their less mathematically inclined peers until at least grade nine.

The inequity of mathematics tracking in California can be undone through a coordinated approach in grades 6–12," reads a January 2021 draft of the framework. "In summary, middle-school students are best served in heterogeneous classes."

In fact, the framework concludes that calculus is overvalued, even for gifted students.

Broadly speaking, this entails making math as easy and un-math-like as possible. Math is really about language and culture and social justice, and no one is naturally better at it than anyone else, according to the framework.

"All students deserve powerful mathematics; we reject ideas of natural gifts and talents," reads a bulletpoint in chapter one of the framework. "The belief that 'I treat everyone the same' is insufficient: Active efforts in mathematics teaching are required in order to counter the cultural forces that have led to and continue to perpetuate current inequities."

The entire second chapter of the framework is about connecting math to social justice concepts like bias and racism: "Teachers can support discussions that center mathematical reasoning rather than issues of status and bias by intentionally defining what it means to do and learn mathematics together in ways that include and highlight the languages, identities, and practices of historically marginalized communities." Teachers should also think creatively about what math even entails: "To encourage truly equitable and engaging mathematics classrooms we need to broaden perceptions of mathematics beyond methods and answers so that students come to view mathematics as a connected, multi-dimensional subject that is about sense making and reasoning, to which they can contribute and belong."


I probably can find other examples in other STEM fields but if not it is only a matter of time.
The term “White Flight” was around when I was growing up in the 60s and 70s.


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21 Jun 2021, 2:16 am

That's weird, all the "dissenting voices" in one article seem to be using Bari Weiss's media platform?

Bari Weiss seems to turn up like a magic leprechaun whenever woke issues are discussed.

Like the way Trump fans/QAnon champion L. Lin Wood magically appears to be provide legal defence to racists.

Curious huh.



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21 Jun 2021, 7:55 am

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Bari Weiss seems to turn up like a magic leprechaun whenever woke issues are discussed.

Looking around at some other stuff by and about Bari Weiss, I see that she is a Zionist. I'm not yet sure whether she is what Salad would call a radical Zionist, however. If she is, then that would be a good reason to take her claims with a grain of salt.

While there probably are some valid criticisms of "elite wokism," I suspect that at least some of the criticism is coming from radical Zionists whose primary actual (but unstated) problem with "elite wokism" is that it interferes with their agenda of demonizing Palestinians and Muslims.


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21 Jun 2021, 4:55 pm

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While there probably are some valid criticisms of "elite wokism," I suspect that at least some of the criticism is coming from radical Zionists whose primary actual (but unstated) problem with "elite wokism" is that it interferes with their agenda of demonizing Palestinians and Muslims.


Makes sense. Ensure kids don't learn bad things in history otherwise BLM is just training school for them to grow up sympathetic to Palestinian liberation struggle.

Often its a package deal, civil rights leads to anti-Israel



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21 Jun 2021, 5:41 pm

I think not being racist is sure a privilege.


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21 Jun 2021, 6:51 pm

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I think not being racist is sure a privilege.


The irony is lost on those wishing to have the liberty to say (and in some cases do) prejiudicial stuff



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21 Jun 2021, 11:51 pm

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Mona Pereth wrote:
While there probably are some valid criticisms of "elite wokism," I suspect that at least some of the criticism is coming from radical Zionists whose primary actual (but unstated) problem with "elite wokism" is that it interferes with their agenda of demonizing Palestinians and Muslims.


Makes sense. Ensure kids don't learn bad things in history otherwise BLM is just training school for them to grow up sympathetic to Palestinian liberation struggle.

Often its a package deal, civil rights leads to anti-Israel

Just ending the whitewashing of racism from American history is good. “Woke” is more then that. Their take on American history and America today is that racism is not a bug, not a feature, but the feature.
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There is a school of thought that “wokism” specifically intersectionality or the “hierarchy of oppression” is “bad for the Jews”. The Jews doing on average better economically and who are often key people in business and in culture are white or if not white “white adjacent” which is a term for successfully pretending to be white in order to get all the oppressing privileges associated with being white. What is sometimes called Model Minority. The Palestinian-Israeli war is seen by BLM and other “woke” groups as a whites oppressing brown people. Most American Jews and European Jews are Ashkenazi, they look or are white depending on who you ask. About as many Israeli Jews are Sephardi who are people of color as there are Ashkenazi. So it seems wokes can be as myopic as Americans in general.

Bari Weiss has engaged in cancel culture during her life. As per Wikipedia ‘as a student at Columbia, Weiss took an active role in the Columbia Unbecoming controversy. Following the release of the film Columbia Unbecoming in fall 2004, alleging classroom intimidation of pro-Israel students by pro-Palestinian professors, she co-founded Columbians for Academic Freedom (CAF) together with Aharon Horwitz, Daniella Kahane, and Ariel Beery. Weiss said she had felt intimidated by Professor Joseph Massad in his lectures, and she thought he spent too much time talking about Zionism and Israel for a course about the entire Middle East.

In response to the release of the film, Columbia put together a committee to examine the allegations. The committee criticized Prof. Massad, but emphasized a lack of civility on campus, including from pro-Israel students who heckled some of their professors. Weiss criticized the committee for its focus on individual grievances, maintaining that students were intimidated because of their views.

In her 2019 book, How to Fight Anti-Semitism, Weiss describes the contentious atmosphere during this period as giving her "a front row seat to leftist anti-Semitism" at the university.The activism initiated by Weiss was alleged by Glenn Greenwald to be "designed to ruin the careers of Arab professors by equating their criticisms of Israel with racism, anti-Semitism, and bullying, and its central demand was that those professors (some of whom lacked tenure) be disciplined for their transgressions."[Weiss has called Greenwald's characterizations "baseless", saying that she "advocated for the rights of students to express their viewpoints in the classroom", adding, "I don't know when criticizing professors became out of bounds.”’

During the recent hostilities Weiss had this to say Palestinian children killed in Gaza “The results of this mess, as always, are especially bad for the Palestinians who live under Hamas rule. Casualty reports are hard to verify because Hamas controls the media (even the international press) inside the Gaza Strip, but it appears that more than 50 Palestinians have been killed. Some of these people are entirely innocent non-combatants, including children. This is an unspeakable tragedy. It is also one of the unavoidable burdens of political power, of Zionism’s dream turned into the reality of self-determination.” Rightly or wrongly this statement has been cited as definitive proof that Zionism equals racism and similar.

Well she is very anti Trump and Trumpism.


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22 Jun 2021, 2:10 am

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[offtopic]There is a school of thought that “wokism” specifically intersectionality or the “hierarchy of oppression” is “bad for the Jews”. The Jews doing on average better economically and who are often key people in business and in culture are white or if not white “white adjacent” which is a term for successfully pretending to be white in order to get all the oppressing privileges associated with being white. What is sometimes called Model Minority.


Yes and its not the first time. East Asians and Jews also parked themselves adjacent to whites in South Africa during the apartheid era. During the worst of apartheid they happily called themselves "honorary whites". In the United States both Asians and jews are subject to racism but have always built themselves as a "model minority", I'm not saying they can't do this but these communities should also not be surprised when black people assault orthodox jews or Asians (the #Stop Asian hate) is actually directed at the black community.

So I guess there is a perception of a heirarchy of oppression whether it actually exists or not. The perception (right or wrong) is that Asians and jews look the other way when black people are oppressed because they share the same prejudices. I'm not the one saying this, this is the sentiment self-evidently on display.



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22 Jun 2021, 8:54 am

I need to read some of Christopher Rufo's work. Sounds like he's on to something.



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22 Jun 2021, 6:47 pm

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I think not being racist is sure a privilege.

Being what you are supposed to be is a privilege?


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22 Jun 2021, 6:54 pm

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League_Girl wrote:
I think not being racist is sure a privilege.

Being what you are supposed to be is a privilege?


Are you serious AS? none of us are "supposed" to be a fictional "white" man/woman, A caricature made-up by slave traders and adopted by countries that used slaves as law. That is the root of the problem.



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22 Jun 2021, 6:57 pm

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I think not being racist is sure a privilege.

Being what you are supposed to be is a privilege?



Don't you see, racist people are oppressed. They get fired from their jobs, get kicked off groups and social media platforms, they get shunned or suspended from school all for their views. Oh no. :lol:


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22 Jun 2021, 7:14 pm

I'm oppressed because my government won't let me identify as a jedi but they will let me identify as a white porcelain doll
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-04/ ... th/9724758



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cyberdad wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
I think not being racist is sure a privilege.

Being what you are supposed to be is a privilege?


Are you serious AS? none of us are "supposed" to be a fictional "white" man/woman, A caricature made-up by slave traders and adopted by countries that used slaves as law. That is the root of the problem.

Being what you are supposed to be meaning to not be a racist.


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ASPartOfMe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
I think not being racist is sure a privilege.

Being what you are supposed to be is a privilege?


Are you serious AS? none of us are "supposed" to be a fictional "white" man/woman, A caricature made-up by slave traders and adopted by countries that used slaves as law. That is the root of the problem.

Being what you are supposed to be meaning to not be a racist.


I'm not stopping you from identifying as white. But I don't think it's what we are "supposed" to be.



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23 Jun 2021, 8:28 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rwr0JOhNxsM

Morgan Freeman has a different take on race.