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03 Apr 2021, 11:50 am

Did just explain that in another thread. You need to become aware of the way that NTs are realizing you for preventing problems.

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03 Apr 2021, 11:58 am

If you look around online, you will find aspies have been abused by those who are NT, eg. bullied, fired, bad assumptions made about them, being singled out, abuse, neglected in education, adults failing to protect them from bullies and making them out to be the bad guys for misunderstandings and treated as the bully.

Plus even look at the comments online what NTs say about our traits when someone misses social cues. We are the as*holes to them. We are the bullies, the jerks, we are lazy and entitled.


So I can understand the bias about NTs and the hate about it but I see the same thing in other communities too and it doesn't bother me if trans people use cis as a slur like we have with NT.


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04 Apr 2021, 11:40 pm

There's safety in numbers. The problematic NTs know they can get away with it. The real trouble lies with the kindly, but passive NTs turning a blind eye. You see, NTs don't turn on each other. The hostile ones know the passive ones will deem the Aspie problematic, so they can get away with their abuse.

And this goes for NTs you get along with. How they treat you, the individual Aspie, isn't how they treat all Aspies. A friendly NT to you may be hostile to one of your fellow Aspies. Or ignoring NTs that hate and harass another Aspie.
And, with the kindly, passive NTs, I think some of them are actually a little socially naive: "Gee, I like you, but I don't have the social problems you have, so these other NTs can't be wrong. You must be the problem, even if we get along personally."



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04 Apr 2021, 11:42 pm

NTs saved my life, that is a solid. compared to NTs, i feel like a fake human.



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05 Apr 2021, 7:13 am

It basically boils down to bad experiences, certain mental health issues, and rigid pattern thoughts that reinforces one and another.



I wonder...
Which aspies here have more bad experiences with NTs than good ones?
Which aspies here have more good experiences with NTs than bad ones, and compare that with the former?

And which aspies here do dislike NTs but got over it?
I got over mine with age, realization, and possibly broke the sanity meter out of sheer chaos of whatever 'normal' is.


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05 Apr 2021, 1:05 pm

Edna3362 wrote:
It basically boils down to bad experiences, certain mental health issues, and rigid pattern thoughts that reinforces one and another.



I wonder...
Which aspies here have more bad experiences with NTs than good ones?
Which aspies here have more good experiences with NTs than bad ones, and compare that with the former?

And which aspies here do dislike NTs but got over it?
I got over mine with age, realization, and possibly broke the sanity meter out of sheer chaos of whatever 'normal' is.


Yes!

It's best to keep good experiences with NTs as top priorities!



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05 Apr 2021, 1:10 pm

auntblabby wrote:
NTs saved my life, that is a solid. compared to NTs, i feel like a fake human.


Maybe this is why so many furries have ASD. :lol:

What weirdos, imma goblin. :nerdy:


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05 Apr 2021, 2:29 pm

I think that if both groups were to work together to resolve the issues that cause this to happen, the typecasting would come to a stop. It's time for autistics and NTs to come together and really talk these things over. Nts could learn that they can't expect us to do all the "normal" things they expect us to and in turn, we will learn that not all NTs are monsters.


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06 Apr 2021, 12:58 am

CockneyRebel wrote:
I think that if both groups were to work together to resolve the issues that cause this to happen, the typecasting would come to a stop. It's time for autistics and NTs to come together and really talk these things over. Nts could learn that they can't expect us to do all the "normal" things they expect us to and in turn, we will learn that not all NTs are monsters.

Sounds good, except both side would have to come together.

Say two countries are at war. One country wants peace, the other wants to keep fighting...the war will continue. BOTH side have to agree to change. Now, the country that wants to keep fighting may have some citizens that want peace. Great. But they're a minority.

There may be some NTs who want to work with us. As it is now, NTs are still at war with Aspies. They have no collective desire to stop, and the war continues.

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NTs saved my life, that is a solid. compared to NTs, i feel like a fake human.

Yeah, they saved your life from other NTs who were putting you through hell. So, sort of a wash. You shouldn't have been in such peril in the first place.



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06 Apr 2021, 1:11 am

I don't think NTs are evil. Some of them can be, just like some ND can be evil. Some autistic people have put me through hell. Anyone can become a psychopath with the right cocktail of genetics, personality disorders, and circumstance.

Both groups can also be wonderful people.

I relate better to NDs, but that doesn't make anyone intrinsically evil.


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07 Apr 2021, 5:41 am

But surely your not NT if you are above 125 IQ

Callous ect...?



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07 Apr 2021, 1:44 pm

Technic1 wrote:
But surely your not NT if you are above 125 IQ Callous ect...?

:huh: marilyn vos savant and her equally genius husband steve jarvik, both are NT and both have genius-level IQs above 140.



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07 Apr 2021, 5:17 pm

auntblabby wrote:
Technic1 wrote:
But surely your not NT if you are above 125 IQ Callous ect...?

:huh: marilyn vos savant and her equally genius husband steve jarvik, both are NT and both have genius-level IQs above 140.


My NT cousin has a high IQ and good focusing skills and attention to detail. He plays guitar and is brilliant at drawing and painting. He'd rather be working on his art hobbies than being out socialising.

Now I'll wait for the "are you sure he's NT and not an undiagnosed Aspie disguised as an NT?" responses.


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07 Apr 2021, 5:38 pm

Technic1 wrote:
But surely your not NT if you are above 125 IQ

Callous ect...?

There are two types of high IQ people I've observed;

One that has talent that can be simply turned on and off at will.
The other one doesn't stop.

The first one is likely a well adjusted NT with a lot of talent, but otherwise socially and emotionally developmentally average and normal.


The second one is likely an ND with innate quirks and different outlooks.
Regardless of how well adjusted they are, their specific issues or spiky profiles.

If it's an NT, it'll likely be not a well adjusted NT.
It can be the callous one you described with misanthrophy like complex, it can be just the kind full of mental health problems who just wanted to be normal, it can be worst of both worlds.
The best scenario on the second one is having an EQ/AQ that matches their IQ.


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14 Apr 2021, 10:57 am

Well, there have been cases of people committing terrible acts; where, it was presumed said persons were autistic, but never was there any clear,concise diagnosis to prove such so, it was just speculation on Stupidtrons fault. However, in the Newtown massacre the person whom carried out the violence Lanza was autistic, yet he's probably the only individual to actually be on the spectrum.



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14 Apr 2021, 2:48 pm

Technic1 wrote:
Why do people with Aspergers think NT’s are evil...

I can't tell you why people with Aspergers think NT's are evil, but ...

I can tell you why sometimes autistics like me look at them and think, "Good god you pathetic third-class samples of humanity ..."

On a hobby forum today:

A member says:
He has a model steam locomotive which has:
two parts he does not know what they represent
the parts are pipes hanging down from back corners of cab
what do they do/what are they :?:
The member provides:
1. Model company who made the model
2. Name of product series the model is in
3. Name of real railroad company who used the real one
4. The wheel arrangement of the real one
5. The class designation the real railroad gave the real one

The member gets:

3 replies in the flavor of, "Since you didn't provide a picture we have no idea what you are talking about and therefore we cannot help you."

WHAT?????
8O :roll: :roll: :roll:

If you are posting on a hobby forum on the internet you are by definition on the internet, right?

The internet has search engines, right?

You can put words in the search box and the search engine will find things based on those words, right?

So ...

While the apparent NT's are being stupid or lazy or both,

I go look up images of the model in question,
Then come back with several photos of the real locomotive and say,
"These are 2 possibilities what those pipes are: and if you play "follow the plumbing" with this image from this angle, the pipes in question are part of the feedwater and feedwater system".

and I think that while I was doing that there was another, "you didn't spoon feed us a picture, we can't tell what you are talking about" response.


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