05 Apr 2021, 5:55 pm
Joe90 wrote:
I couldn't resist reposting this...
So, what is the definition of empathy?
Good question! Empathy means kind, caring and understanding.
Oh, right, well I'm generally a kind, caring and understanding person, and when someone is telling me their feelings I am a good listener, so I think I have empathy--
*Spits out drink* No, J! That is compassion, J! You have compassion.
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So, what is the definition of empathy?
Good question! Empathy means kind, caring and understanding.
Oh, right, well I'm generally a kind, caring and understanding person, and when someone is telling me their feelings I am a good listener, so I think I have empathy--
*Spits out drink* No, J! That is compassion, J! You have compassion.
...
Thanks Joe! Funny to read and pretty right. In the end have aspies to be aware of the fact that NTs have empathy may even realize the emotions of aspie in a wrong way as your feelings towards them and expect of you to recognize their emotions the same way.
Some people here who have empathy are confusion autism and Asperger's. Most aspies lack affective empathy some lack cognitive empathy and some autistic people lack empathy regarding recognizing the emotions in the voice of people and for this indirectness. But most people assume that all other people are kind like they are themself. Things that you aren't aware that others expect them of you can cause you a lot of problems then.
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06 Apr 2021, 6:33 am
Joe90 wrote:
carlos55 wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
carlos55 wrote:
When they talk about empathy from an autism point of view they mean the ability to see things from another persons perspective, which is supposedly lacking in autistic people.
I.e extreme example - Autistic person:
“I love cherry cola so everyone loves cherry cola I cannot perceive of a situation where someone would not love cherry cola.” “ What! you hate cherry flavor how can that be that doesn’t compute”
Unfortunately this is partly true of us evidenced by many ND advocates who view autism from their own perspective finding it hard to see how someone with more severe symptoms may have a different opinion to themselves in these matters.
I.e extreme example - Autistic person:
“I love cherry cola so everyone loves cherry cola I cannot perceive of a situation where someone would not love cherry cola.” “ What! you hate cherry flavor how can that be that doesn’t compute”
Unfortunately this is partly true of us evidenced by many ND advocates who view autism from their own perspective finding it hard to see how someone with more severe symptoms may have a different opinion to themselves in these matters.
Nope. Plenty of NTs think this too. What about those who can't understand the fact that a lot of autistics don't like socialising? And the fact that NTs think everyone should be the same and get freaked out when someone is different instead of understanding that not everyone can think the same?
Your possibly confusing lots of different things.
The ability to see things from another perspective is simply that, what the NT does about it is something else.
Good marketers know how to manipulate people by putting themselves in their shoes and tailoring their sales pitch accordingly. What they sell may be a con but they don’t care because that’s a different version of empathy more commonly thought of as simpathy and moral compass.
An NT may be able to put themselves in someone else’s shoes but completely ignore what they think possibly because they are high on the psychopathic scale. Think rich politician talking about poor people when he doesn’t want to help them.
The Sally Ann test measures this and your average autistic child fails the test as opposed to the average NT child.
This exactly portrays what I wrote in my first post in this thread. NT empathy definition is everything; autistic empathy definition is only being kind, caring and understanding. If an autistic decides to emotionally manipulate or decide to be mean to somebody for the purpose of upsetting that person, the autistic person is lacking empathy, even though they are doing exactly what empathy is described when it comes to NTs and empathy.
Autistic person is having a bad day and ignores someone who's being friendly. The friendly person get offended.
The autistic is being rude and should be scolded for expecting the friendly person is going to understand or guess why they are being rude.
NT person is having a bad day and ignores an autistic who's being friendly. The autistic person gets offended.
The autistic is being selfish and should be scolded for considering that the NT could be having a bad day and the autistic gets preached that they need to understand that other people have problems too.
See? The autistic is always the bad guy no matter what context.
And I hate these empathy threads.
Kind is better than having empathy.
Caring is more important than empathy.
Understanding is better than empathy.
Think about it, what would you prefer!?!
You can have empathy without be kind and caring.
And understanding is best one there...
06 Apr 2021, 6:55 am
06 Apr 2021, 7:45 am
06 Apr 2021, 8:24 am
06 Apr 2021, 3:20 pm
Joe90 wrote:
I think most Aspies have trouble with cognitive empathy, which is recognising body language and other social cues. Emotional empathy is what most Aspies have, even if they don't show it it doesn't mean they lack it.
I have emotional empathy, meaning I can imagine other people's emotions in situations, feel other's emotions, easily orientated by other's emotions, and can relate emotionally to others, and I know what to say to make people feel better.
I have emotional empathy, meaning I can imagine other people's emotions in situations, feel other's emotions, easily orientated by other's emotions, and can relate emotionally to others, and I know what to say to make people feel better.
Sorry but I think that you seem pretty wrong. Emotional empathy without cognitive empathy requires that you have no idea of what you are feeling because of your empathy. That seems not logical to me because I can't imagine this. Being easily tricked because of your empathy is a different thing that happens to most NTs too as far I have noticed several times. Very manipulative and highly empathetic people (mostly women) know how to play with others who are unaware of their intentions. Cognitive empathy is something that you can improve at by watching people carefully. Generating feelings that match the ones of others is nothing that someone can't learn who is very logical only and not emotional driven as it's pretty common for people with Asperger's. Of course a lot of people with pretty different autistic conditions have been lumped together under that label of Asperger's and also the definition of it was changed several times. For being more exact a better sorting regarding the specific problems of the people is required. Even more once it comes to autism.
Of course I know that there are people who are very emotional but unable to realize the emotions of others. I remember two women on the spectrum. One was unable to realize and provide emotions in eye contact but had no problems with eye contact otherwise. The other one was pretty unable to read emotional expression in faces and was unaware that other people and even animals are doing just this. Both were otherwise rather bright.
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06 Apr 2021, 5:11 pm
06 Apr 2021, 5:17 pm
kraftiekortie wrote:
I know you have empathy. You know you have empathy.
Kraftiekortie, I'm so glad to see you here
. People here listen to you more than they do me.
06 Apr 2021, 5:46 pm
06 Apr 2021, 7:13 pm
06 Apr 2021, 8:38 pm
Technic1 wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
carlos55 wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
carlos55 wrote:
When they talk about empathy from an autism point of view they mean the ability to see things from another persons perspective, which is supposedly lacking in autistic people.
I.e extreme example - Autistic person:
“I love cherry cola so everyone loves cherry cola I cannot perceive of a situation where someone would not love cherry cola.” “ What! you hate cherry flavor how can that be that doesn’t compute”
Unfortunately this is partly true of us evidenced by many ND advocates who view autism from their own perspective finding it hard to see how someone with more severe symptoms may have a different opinion to themselves in these matters.
I.e extreme example - Autistic person:
“I love cherry cola so everyone loves cherry cola I cannot perceive of a situation where someone would not love cherry cola.” “ What! you hate cherry flavor how can that be that doesn’t compute”
Unfortunately this is partly true of us evidenced by many ND advocates who view autism from their own perspective finding it hard to see how someone with more severe symptoms may have a different opinion to themselves in these matters.
Nope. Plenty of NTs think this too. What about those who can't understand the fact that a lot of autistics don't like socialising? And the fact that NTs think everyone should be the same and get freaked out when someone is different instead of understanding that not everyone can think the same?
Your possibly confusing lots of different things.
The ability to see things from another perspective is simply that, what the NT does about it is something else.
Good marketers know how to manipulate people by putting themselves in their shoes and tailoring their sales pitch accordingly. What they sell may be a con but they don’t care because that’s a different version of empathy more commonly thought of as simpathy and moral compass.
An NT may be able to put themselves in someone else’s shoes but completely ignore what they think possibly because they are high on the psychopathic scale. Think rich politician talking about poor people when he doesn’t want to help them.
The Sally Ann test measures this and your average autistic child fails the test as opposed to the average NT child.
This exactly portrays what I wrote in my first post in this thread. NT empathy definition is everything; autistic empathy definition is only being kind, caring and understanding. If an autistic decides to emotionally manipulate or decide to be mean to somebody for the purpose of upsetting that person, the autistic person is lacking empathy, even though they are doing exactly what empathy is described when it comes to NTs and empathy.
Autistic person is having a bad day and ignores someone who's being friendly. The friendly person get offended.
The autistic is being rude and should be scolded for expecting the friendly person is going to understand or guess why they are being rude.
NT person is having a bad day and ignores an autistic who's being friendly. The autistic person gets offended.
The autistic is being selfish and should be scolded for considering that the NT could be having a bad day and the autistic gets preached that they need to understand that other people have problems too.
See? The autistic is always the bad guy no matter what context.
And I hate these empathy threads.
Kind is better than having empathy.
Caring is more important than empathy.
Understanding is better than empathy.
Think about it, what would you prefer!?!
You can have empathy without be kind and caring.
And understanding is best one there...
I am going to second this...
Seeking understanding is important.
What i hate is when NT's think being understanding is the same as showing pity...
I am ok with being autistic, I am soft inside but I just don't or can't express it well, my inner autist is a little child and she is really sweet. She never grew up and never will.
NTs make the world to complicated, they are very harsh in their judgements and can be very unkind.
I have tried but I will never fully understand their creulty.
06 Apr 2021, 8:39 pm
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