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09 Apr 2021, 4:48 pm

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I dont understand why you're so adamant that conspiracies are ipso facto false because they sound ridiculous...
You are mistaken.  Conspiracy theories are not false because they sound ridiculous; they are false because they ARE ridiculous.  Case in point...
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... knowing how common false flags are throughout history.  Hitler had his SS under the stewardship of Henrich Himler fake attack the German border masquerading as Polish insurgents and used that as a pretext for WW2.  Japan had soldiers fake bomb railways in Manchuria and declare war on China.  It's not as far fetched as you think how false flags can be carried out with the right planning and corruption.
The above examples were performed by Fascist regimes more than 75 years ago, and not by "Libs" just last week.  This is worse than comparing apples and oranges; it is more like comparing piranhas to goldfinches.

Another case in point is the fact that 68% of all the QAnon conspiracy theorists who took part in the January 6th coup attempt have admitted to being officially diagnosed with some form of mental illness.  This cannot be dismissed as mere correlation, but as a causal connection between mental illness, conspiracy theories, and racism as well.


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09 Apr 2021, 4:50 pm

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Let's add this all up. According to the HoNkA hOnKa theories, The Left already has enough power and control to engage in mass voter fraud, AND cover up ALL evidence of it - has enough power over the Capital, and the media, and the public at large, to stage an entire fake insurrection, complete with deaths as a result, AND managed to stage it so it all "looked" like it was MAGAs, AND cover up ALL evidence - controls the government, the media, the military, the police (except for the GOOD people in the government, the media, the military, and the police) - and the only thing stopping them from world domination is Yertle the Turtle Addison McConnel, who just needs to restrict voting for the poor and cut taxes for the rich, and that's all that's all that's needed to magically end this terrifying war machine known as The Left.

It's also funny to hear people frantically bounce back and forth between "libs" being puppy-loving pacifists with no backbone who are trying to seduce people into diversity, AND jackbooted enforcers with iron fists beating people into conformity because they hate differences. Almost EVERY time they try to reconcile those two utterly contrary realities, they crash head first into old Klan rhetoric. It makes for a spectacular show.


I dont understand why you're so adamant that conspiracies are ipso facto false because they sound ridiculous, knowing how common false flags are throughout history. Hitler had his SS under the stewardship of Henrich Himler fake attack the German border masquerading as Polish insurgents and used that as a pretext for WW2. Japan had soldiers fake bomb railways in Manchuria and declare war on China. It's not as far fetched as you think how false flags can be carried out with the right planning and corruption.


You've made a solid case that false-flags can occur, not that this notion was ever in question.

No one has ever presented evidence that January 6th was a false flag attack. Maybe because none exists because it wasn't.


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09 Apr 2021, 4:55 pm

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... No one has ever presented evidence that January 6th was a false flag attack. Maybe because none exists because it wasn't.
When some half-naked basement-dwelling mama's boy wearing warpaint and a buffalo hat claims to be taking part in the January 6th coup attempt because he is the QAnon cult's "Shaman", that is pretty well the smoking gun that indicates who was really behind it.

And it was certainly not the "Libs" -- those Democratic senators whom he and the other QAnuts were out to capture, try in a kangaroo court, and lynch from the rafters.


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10 Apr 2021, 12:11 am

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It's pretty evident that the Capitol Resurrection wasn't some "smokescreen."

Trump said that something was going to happen. He knew something was going to happen. He kept alluding to it. And it happened.

January 6th......coincidentally the day where they count the Electoral Votes in Congress. Trump didn't want them to count the Electoral Votes in Congress (he would lose).

Just like he wanted the Georgia election officials to "find votes" for him.

Trump, sore loser, incited the resurrection. He told the insurrectionists to "go home" in a tweet long after the whole thing started and that he told them that he "loves" them.

What person in his right mind would not send the full force of the National Guard on those people who were invading the Capitol? Yeah....Trump was in his "right mind" all right.

He was a sore loser. criminal


Corrected it for you :D



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10 Apr 2021, 12:21 am

the trumpians don't believe in fair play, they are playing a long game held close to their vests, to subvert democracy and put themselves in charge forever, like a fourth reich. they refuse to honestly talk about their true motives [tyranny, ethnic cleansing, ruthless repression/enslavement/elimination of anybody not like themselves, worship of mammon as the highest cultural value]. it is gonna take long vigilance to defend ourselves against this clear and present danger to our nation.



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10 Apr 2021, 12:55 am

auntblabby wrote:
the trumpians don't believe in fair play, they are playing a long game held close to their vests, to subvert democracy and put themselves in charge forever, like a fourth reich. they refuse to honestly talk about their true motives [tyranny, ethnic cleansing, ruthless repression/enslavement/elimination of anybody not like themselves, worship of mammon as the highest cultural value]. it is gonna take long vigilance to defend ourselves against this clear and present danger to our nation.


Lets not lump all Trump supporters together. I definitely agree within the Trump supporter base there is a large segment of deplorables, racists and threats to democracy. However there is also a sizable number who are decent, hardworking Americans who voted Trump because Hillary is a witch, Biden a rapist pervert, Obama a war criminal, and who wanted someone to focus on America 1st.


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10 Apr 2021, 1:08 am

problem is that he focused on americans LAST. NOTHING about fixing our non-healthy/non-caring/non-system of health care which is basically unaffordable unless one makes 6+ figures per annum. nothing about infrastructure which is crumbling beneath us. nothing about making our broadband as good as that of the typical european nation, much less asia. nothing about curbing our out-of-control police. EVERYthing was about further enriching the already rich [corporations and billionaire oligarchs] and further impoverishing the impoverished. packing the courts with reactionary troglodytes more befitting the feudal lord era. RUINING the VA by stuffing the E suite full of his self-serving crooks STEALING money from vets like me. i would have cut the SOB more slack if only he at least did SOMETHING to make our health care system more equitable and not less as was his plan.



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10 Apr 2021, 1:34 am

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However there is also a sizable number who are decent, hardworking Americans who voted Trump because Hillary is a witch, .


I find it hard to believe a 'decent" person who would permit their country to be run by Donald Trump.



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10 Apr 2021, 1:43 am

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However there is also a sizable number who are decent, hardworking Americans who voted Trump because Hillary is a witch, .


I find it hard to believe a 'decent" person who would permit their country to be run by Donald Trump.


Decent people who are driven hysterical by right-wing fear-mongers might.


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10 Apr 2021, 2:01 am

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cyberdad wrote:
salad wrote:
However there is also a sizable number who are decent, hardworking Americans who voted Trump because Hillary is a witch, .


I find it hard to believe a 'decent" person who would permit their country to be run by Donald Trump.


Decent people who are driven hysterical by right-wing fear-mongers might.


Hysteria drives decent people to do indecent things huh 8)



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10 Apr 2021, 2:41 am

birds of a feather, flock together.



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10 Apr 2021, 3:14 am

I got too drunk and embarrassed me yesterday. f*****g booze it just acts slyly in delay. Sorry for what I said.



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10 Apr 2021, 3:14 am

we all have our moments. love yourself anyway. might as well.



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10 Apr 2021, 3:16 am

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I got too drunk and embarrassed me yesterday. f*****g booze it just acts slyly in delay. Sorry for what I said.


You be you man, nothing to be sorry for.


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