Police shooting of black man in Brooklyn Center and protests

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14 Apr 2021, 11:43 am

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This is a tradegdy but Dante would still be alive today had he not resisted arrest.
No, Daunte would be alive today if he wasn't shot.

Also, this:
The firearm had a safety, a Taser does not.
The firearm is holstered on her right, the Taser on her left.
A Glock 17 (as a sample weapon, not necessarily the one used) weighs 1.38 pounds; a Taser, 0.45 pounds.

So this 25-year veteran chose (automatic, trained instinct?) the weapon on her right, flipped the safety, didn't notice the difference in weight and grip size/feel, or that her weapon wasn't bright yellow - yet it was all accidental?
Nah.

When you resist arrest you take the chance that the police officer will make mistakes.


When your mistake kills someone you deserve to be held accountable.


You are correct, the officer should be held accountable for her mistake and whatever consequence comes of that. However, the fact still is, had Daunte not tried to flee, the officer would not have made that mistake. His actions have consequences too. In most cases, the consequence is a felony conviction and probation or prison. This time, the consequence was loss of life.


And since his consequences have already occurred we can focus on holding the killer accountable instead of pretending the blame rests entirely on the victim. :roll:


Where did I say that the total blame rests on the victim. I am just saying that while the officer should be held accountable for her mistake, Daunte is not blameless in this either. I have been taught from a young age to always listen to the police and if they are wrong, deal with the issue in the courts where it is much safer than taking matters into your own hands on the street.

As I have mentioned, the officer will be charged with 2nd degree manslaughter, probably not the charge that the protesters want but the one that will probably stick in court. Especially in light of 3 hung juries in Minnesota where a conceal carry holder was charged with murder after shooting someone.



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14 Apr 2021, 11:56 am

This kind of things happen when we get the lawless society we demand.



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14 Apr 2021, 12:05 pm

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Where did I say that the total blame rests on the victim.


Where did I say you said that? :?


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14 Apr 2021, 12:31 pm

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When you resist arrest you take the chance that the police officer will make mistakes.
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But the mistake would not have happened had Dante not decided to flee and simply followed the commands of the police officer.
Victim blaming, much? :roll:


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14 Apr 2021, 12:40 pm

Cornflake wrote:
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When you resist arrest you take the chance that the police officer will make mistakes.
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But the mistake would not have happened had Dante not decided to flee and simply followed the commands of the police officer.
Victim blaming, much? :roll:

No, Thats called life in the Real World.



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14 Apr 2021, 12:50 pm

The police and the community are the victims of criminals like Daunte Wright and Jacob Blake. Let's not blame the real victims and let's not make criminals out to be martyrs. Let's also not tolerate the lies and allow these events to be used to divide people in an obvious attempt to start a race war.



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14 Apr 2021, 1:08 pm

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The police and the community are the victims of criminals like Daunte Wright and Jacob Blake. Let's not blame the real victims and let's not make criminals out to be martyrs. Let's also not tolerate the lies and allow these events to be used to divide people in an obvious attempt to start a race war.


Someone can be both a perpetrator and a victim.

Mentioning a race war every time racism is mentioned kinda comes off like a veiled threat. Insisting these conversations will only lead to violence doesn't seem rational. The same threats were made during the civil rights era and white supremacists aren't as powerful now as they were then.


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14 Apr 2021, 1:34 pm

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Mentioning a race war every time racism is mentioned kinda comes off like a veiled threat. Insisting these conversations will only lead to violence doesn't seem rational. The same threats were made during the civil rights era and white supremacists aren't as powerful now as they were then.


It's not a threat. It's what is happening. These assumptions of guilt based on skin color are in violation of civil rights law. These same assumptions of guilt by skin color we see today were also prevalent in the civil rights era. It's that kind of racial prejudice that lead to the need for civil rights laws in the first place.



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14 Apr 2021, 1:38 pm

Daddy63 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Mentioning a race war every time racism is mentioned kinda comes off like a veiled threat. Insisting these conversations will only lead to violence doesn't seem rational. The same threats were made during the civil rights era and white supremacists aren't as powerful now as they were then.


It's not a threat. It's what is happening. These assumptions of guilt based on skin color are in violation of civil rights law. These same assumptions of guilt by skin color we see today were also prevalent in the civil rights era. It's that kind of racial prejudice that lead to the need for civil rights laws in the first place.


The assumptions never went away. ;)

Oh wait, you mean for your unsubstantiated claims about other people being immediately judged on their colour. :lol: :lol: :lol:

If you've got evidence for that notion please show it or stop trotting out the victim complex. If you're really insisting there's some sort of systemic bias against white people within the justice system you'll need to prove it.


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14 Apr 2021, 1:59 pm

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Mentioning a race war every time racism is mentioned kinda comes off like a veiled threat. Insisting these conversations will only lead to violence doesn't seem rational. The same threats were made during the civil rights era and white supremacists aren't as powerful now as they were then.


It's not a threat. It's what is happening. These assumptions of guilt based on skin color are in violation of civil rights law. These same assumptions of guilt by skin color we see today were also prevalent in the civil rights era. It's that kind of racial prejudice that lead to the need for civil rights laws in the first place.


The assumptions never went away. ;)

Oh wait, you mean for your unsubstantiated claims about other people being immediately judged on their colour. :lol: :lol: :lol:

If you've got evidence for that notion please show it or stop trotting out the victim complex. If you're really insisting there's some sort of systemic bias against white people within the justice system you'll need to prove it.


I could care less what skin color we are talking about. The goal of justice has to be color blind. Anything else is antithetical to civil rights.



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14 Apr 2021, 2:02 pm

Officer Who Shot Daunte Wright Arrested, To Be Charged With 2nd-Degree Manslaughter

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Kim Potter, the former Brooklyn Center, Minn., police officer who shot Daunte Wright, was arrested Wednesday and will be charged with second-degree manslaughter, according to Minnesota authorities.

The Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension announced the arrest. The Washington County Attorney's Office will announce charges later Wednesday afternoon. Potter is currently being held at the Hennepin County Jail.

Potter shot Wright, a 20-year-old Black man, during a traffic stop Sunday while officers were attempting arrest after discovering an outstanding warrant. In body camera footage, Wright can be seen pulling his hands free and ducking back into the car; Potter yells, "I'll tase you! Taser! Taser! Taser!" then fires her handgun. Wright died on the scene.

Under Minnesota law, someone is guilty of second-degree manslaughter if that person causes the death of another through "culpable negligence" and "creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another." The charge carries a maximum penalty of 10 years in prison and a $20,000 fine.

Second-degree manslaughter is among the charges faced by fired Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin in his trial in George Floyd's death, which is nearing its closing arguments.

Potter will be represented by Earl Gray, a high-profile Minnesota defense attorney who has defended multiple police officers. Among his current clients is Thomas Lane, the former Minneapolis police officer who helped restrain Floyd. Gray's office did not immediately respond to a request for comment.


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14 Apr 2021, 2:04 pm

Daddy63 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Daddy63 wrote:
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Mentioning a race war every time racism is mentioned kinda comes off like a veiled threat. Insisting these conversations will only lead to violence doesn't seem rational. The same threats were made during the civil rights era and white supremacists aren't as powerful now as they were then.


It's not a threat. It's what is happening. These assumptions of guilt based on skin color are in violation of civil rights law. These same assumptions of guilt by skin color we see today were also prevalent in the civil rights era. It's that kind of racial prejudice that lead to the need for civil rights laws in the first place.


The assumptions never went away. ;)

Oh wait, you mean for your unsubstantiated claims about other people being immediately judged on their colour. :lol: :lol: :lol:

If you've got evidence for that notion please show it or stop trotting out the victim complex. If you're really insisting there's some sort of systemic bias against white people within the justice system you'll need to prove it.


I could care less what skin color we are talking about. The goal of justice has to be color blind. Anything else is antithetical to civil rights.


It isn't currently colour blind, that's the point. Complaining about attempts to improve things in that regard and reframe them as actually being biased against other people is dishonest at best.


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14 Apr 2021, 3:42 pm

Mr Reynholm wrote:
When you resist arrest you take the chance that the police officer will make mistakes.

:wall: :roll: the fkkking police officer IS JUST NOT ALLOWED TO MAKE ANY FKKKING MISTAKES, got that?
the food server is allowed to goof a minor detail of your meal without major anger, but the surgeon isn't allowed to chop off the wrong body part nor is the cop allowed to "accidentally" kill you NO MATTER WHAT. PERIOD.



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14 Apr 2021, 5:12 pm

Mr Reynholm wrote:
Cornflake wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
When you resist arrest you take the chance that the police officer will make mistakes.
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But the mistake would not have happened had Dante not decided to flee and simply followed the commands of the police officer.
Victim blaming, much? :roll:
No, Thats called life in the Real World.
Well that might be your Real World, but these events are pretty specific to the USA - and it's not much of a stretch to say "repetitive".
You might want to ponder on why that is so.


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14 Apr 2021, 7:29 pm

Daddy63 wrote:
The police and the community are the victims of criminals like Daunte Wright and Jacob Blake. Let's not blame the real victims and let's not make criminals out to be martyrs. Let's also not tolerate the lies and allow these events to be used to divide people in an obvious attempt to start a race war.


Its easy to project your own values on AAs when you aren't a member of the African American community.

African Americans have been dealing with racist police for 100 years. The current generation of children are taught by parents to beware of police as they know they risk arrest or violence for driving in a vehicle or even walking on the street.

BTW they also have a history of tension with Korean, Indian and Arab store owners who consistently choose to open stores in black neighborhoods, overcharging, disrespecting and racially profiling customers.

While it's quaint to say you don't see race, I'm afraid you and I don't get to decide how a black person perceives the threat police pose. The actions of officers like Kimberly Potter don't exactly help the police in removing their existing reputation.



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14 Apr 2021, 9:09 pm

cyberdad wrote:
Daddy63 wrote:
The police and the community are the victims of criminals like Daunte Wright and Jacob Blake. Let's not blame the real victims and let's not make criminals out to be martyrs. Let's also not tolerate the lies and allow these events to be used to divide people in an obvious attempt to start a race war.


Its easy to project your own values on AAs when you aren't a member of the African American community.

African Americans have been dealing with racist police for 100 years. The current generation of children are taught by parents to beware of police as they know they risk arrest or violence for driving in a vehicle or even walking on the street.

BTW they also have a history of tension with Korean, Indian and Arab store owners who consistently choose to open stores in black neighborhoods, overcharging, disrespecting and racially profiling customers.

While it's quaint to say you don't see race, I'm afraid you and I don't get to decide how a black person perceives the threat police pose. The actions of officers like Kimberly Potter don't exactly help the police in removing their existing reputation.



Your assumptions about my skin color perfectly make my point. Deciding guilt or innocence or motive based on skin color whatever it may be leads to division, hate and violence. It has to end.