[ POLL ] Is there more than one type of Narcissism?
Some psychologists seem to distinguish between two rather different types of narcissists: (1) "Grandiose" narcissists, who have high self-esteem and self-aggrandizement; and (2) "Vulnerable" narcissists, who have low self-esteem, attachment anxiety, and are highly sensitive to criticism.
"Grandiose" behavior may be exemplified by the behavior of a certain former president, and "Vulnerable" behavior by chronic complaining and the need for constant reassurance of identity and self-worth.
Kowalchyk and team used a series of measures to assess the levels of different traits including narcissism, self-esteem, and psychopathy for each of their participants, and found that flexing behavior is strongly associated with individuals who also have high insecurities and sense of guilt. Those exhibiting psychopathy showed relatively low levels of guilt.
"Narcissists are insecure, and they cope with these insecurities by flexing. This makes others like them less in the long run, thus further aggravating their insecurities, which then leads to a vicious cycle of flexing behaviors," said Kowalchyk.
This is in contrast to individuals that exhibit grandiose narcissism, who genuinely believe in their own self-importance and do not display signs of insecurity. To the researchers, the difference between the two goes further than just a category distinction.
Thoughts?
Source: This Science Alert Article.
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If I understand it correctly, narcissism is inflated, fragile ego... and this can manifest in various ways, likely depending on personality and culture.
BTW, I'm just reading a fresh article from BBC on narcissists in general: https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20 ... themselves
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Let's not confuse being normal with being mentally healthy.
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The Science Alert article talks about traits such as psychopathy that might be present in the people we describe as narcissists. Here's the thing though (speaking as a one-time psychologist): you can use factor analysis to isolate any number of traits in human beings; and then depending on how you "rotate the axes" (I've never done that, but that's what they call it) some of the traits might look more like psychopathy or more like narcissism or more like thrill-seeking etc. The "Big 5" personality traits do seem to emerge from a lot of modern research (Conscientiousness, Agreeability, Neuroticism, Extraversion, Openness to experience) but other theories of personality identify 16 relevant traits, etc.
So I'm not too impressed by an analysis that says "there are two main types of narcissism." I mean maybe so, but if you group your measurements differently maybe there are 7 main types, or only 1 type.
That guy Sam Vaknin who is a self-proclaimed narcissist, I believe has identified that one type of narcissist does not base their vanity on their appearance but their "good works" - the quotation marks indicating that the good works are mostly for show. This type does a lot of virtue signaling (might be the same behavior as flexing, I guess) and appears to have a martyr complex. Although they can appear very self-sacrificing, they definitely feel superior to you or me - until something makes them question that belief, causing a narcissistic injury far out of proportion to the actual provocation. And then they can attack with rage - either attack themselves, or the person guilty of the narcissistic injury.
AND I just described my sister....
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A finger in every pie.
That description fits well my grandmother. But I still believe her main problem was C-PTSD (not even a concept back then) that she tried to compensate with such behaviors.
My family members with such traits surprisingly well respond to establishing boundaries... after some time of consistently keeping them despite their initial attacks.
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Let's not confuse being normal with being mentally healthy.
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It's hard to find compassion for a someone who's full of themself -- and, in many cases, it's unclear why we'd want to sympathise with the people who repel us most...
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I have listened to a psychologist named Dr. Les Carter who has lots of expertise about narcissists and it's definitely not a myth and there are different types of narcissists. He also said all of them have these things in common
1. They have low self-esteem and insecurity
2. They are very prideful
3. They have problems with envy of others
4. They also think they are entitled
The difference between a covert and an overt
1. The Covert
A. They come across as someone who is humble
B. They put themselves down a lot
C. Someone is always out to get them - A and B are manipulation for narcissistic supply
D. They secretly believe they are entitled
E. They are always wanting to help other people so they can get credit - narcissistic supply
F. They gaslight by playing hot and cold and people
G. If they get something they feel they deserve, they can use that to undermine others.
2. The Overt
A They are grandiose
B They have a lack of empathy
C. They cut someone down on the spot
D. Their attitude it "You serve me because you're a nobody but I am a god."
E. They are known to be abusive when they don't get what they want
G. They are very controlling
H. They gaslight
Oh, GACH! There goes my ex-wife's voice again!
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Narcissism is certainly of a "Spectrum" nature.....
And the term has become so fashionable that ANYBODY could be a narcissist if the goalposts are moved often enough.
These days, anybody who doesn't agree with someone could very well acquire the "narcissist" label....
rather similar to "liberals" acquiring the "socialist" label when there is no evidence that they would espouse a socialist economic system.
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