Argentinian pro-abortion leader dies during abortion

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19 Apr 2021, 3:04 pm

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under the delusion their child was murdered

Not entirely sure that's a delusion.

It's really not a valid justification for violence.

Never said it was.

I'd say if one feel it is a justification that it's fair to call it a delusion even if I can understand why someone's ideology might cause them to feel it's not. If it were the murder of an actual person it would be a valid feeling, it's not because it's not.

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19 Apr 2021, 3:11 pm

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You've confused me a bit there, sorry.

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19 Apr 2021, 3:14 pm

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No one said it's a justification.
I think OutsideView was trying to point out that you assumed the murderers are always anti-abortion partners raging after learning that the abortion happened (AFAIK, no data indicating this, just correlation - correlation is not causation) and you even suggested that whoever opposed abortion may be likely to do the same.
That is very far-fetched on your side.

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19 Apr 2021, 3:27 pm

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Finland is far from a backwater when it comes to medical care. There are some really bizarre correlations from studies in there, most I can kind of get my head around but why are women who have had abortions more likely to be victims of homicide? Very strange.

Abusive partners perhaps? Might be a good reason to not date anti-choicers. :wink:

Ah yeah, that's plausible.

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20 Apr 2021, 3:56 am

People missed this
Abortion in Argentina became legal up to the 14th week of pregnancy since 24 January 2021, after the corresponding bill was passed by the National Congress in December 2020.

I'm assuming therefore they don't have any abortion specialists in this otherwise conservative catholic country

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20 Apr 2021, 7:21 am

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I'd expect most to be only coincidental. Of the ones where there's a connection what other reasonable factor would connect the two?

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20 Apr 2021, 7:23 am

OutsideView wrote:

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You've confused me a bit there, sorry.

Engaging in violence to avenge the murder of a person might be valid.
Committing violence to avenge a pregnancy that's been terminated would never be valid.

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20 Apr 2021, 7:31 am

funeralxempire wrote:

Engaging in violence to avenge the murder of a person might be valid.
Committing violence to avenge a pregnancy that's been terminated would never be valid.

What about a situation where someone (say, Chinese government) forced an abortion on you?
I know, I have a kind of mind that spots exceptions to "always" and "never"s.

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20 Apr 2021, 7:35 am

You gotta admit the irony is superb.

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20 Apr 2021, 7:39 am

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I'd expect most to be only coincidental. Of the ones where there's a connection what other reasonable factor would connect the two?

I've voiced my opinion: that having generally less stable life situation (for multiple possible factors) makes one more likely to both have an abortion and to be murdered.

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20 Apr 2021, 2:47 pm

From what I understand, and this is MY understanding of a translated news article, she was given oral medication and sent home.
She got very sick, and died from a reaction to this medicine.
I do not understand sending someone home to abort a baby.
I would expect the patient to be medicated, kept in the facility, the baby/fetus to be expelled, the patient to be kept under care until verification that she is completely stable, THEN released, preferably verified that someone will be with her for a day or two.
As I said, this is my understanding of what I was able to find on the Internet.

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20 Apr 2021, 2:54 pm

Sylkat wrote:

Isn't that typically how things go with Mifepristone, if it's early enough?

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20 Apr 2021, 3:03 pm

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Isn't that typically how things go with Mifepristone, if it's early enough?

Correct. It's typically given in early pregnancy when the baby doesn't develop a heart beat. Sometime miscarriage doesn't happen naturally and this drug is given. I had this tremendously sad experience with my wife.

I believe hemorrhage is a risk with the medication and that immediate surgery is required in those cases.

Obviously it was given in this case even though the baby was healthy but the mother chose that he/she should not live.

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20 Apr 2021, 5:05 pm

Sylkat wrote:

From what I understand, and this is MY understanding of a translated news article, she was given oral medication and sent home..

The right wingers have constructed a beautiful fictional narrative out of this, why are you spoiling it for them?

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