As Minnesotan I can affirm that Defund the police is stupid
Im specifically from Minneapolis so this hits closer to home. Minneapolis decided to last year after the George Floyd debacle to implement not just defunding the police, but the city council sought to pass a charter disbanding the police. the results have been catastrophic. every week, every day there has been a shooting, a stabbing, a rape, a sexual assault, a car jacking, its literally unprecedented. The gangs have basically run Minneapolis now and there are entire parts of Minneapolis where the police actually won't enter out of fear.
As great as defunding the police sounds on paper, it is a terrible idea in practice. No amount of theoretical expositions will ever change my mind because theory and philosophy can never ever hold a candle to real life empirical results. Never. Practice>>>>>>>>>>theory any day.
Liberals from the Atlantic and NY Times are idiotically peddling this garbage notion that the world can seriously universally abolish the police, something that I thought was a meme until I actually read such garbage online:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opin ... olice.html
The Atlantic some time ago also ran an article arguing the same nonsense. Many liberal think tanks, professors and academics have been promoting this garbage using nice sounding jargon, pseudo intellectual arguments, and other rubbish and its not going to work because when actual empirical results are showing that areas that cut back their police force are experiencing surges of crimes and gang activity, all the theory in the world isn't going to work.
Liberals and conservatives, at least the dumb ones, have 1 thing in common: they constantly write turgid explanations of theory about how this idiotic idea works even when it never ever works in practice. Whether its the less intelligent conservatives saying things like we don't need the Civil Rights Act, or when they promise trickle down economics, its garbage because it doesn't work in practice. Likewise liberals pushing the defund or even abolish the police, or some of Bernie Sanders' crazier socialist ideas, its all coming down to theory but reality is so much more complex.
As a Minneapolis native the efforts by our city council to remove the police was the stupidest thing that's ever happened to our city, and the upsurge in crime is all the evidence I need
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You're aware that defund the police isn't generally meant as abolish all policing, right?
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The issue is that in order to reform the police you need money, money to train police officers, hire police officers of better quality, and to retain skilled police officers rather than hiring only the dumbest and cheapest ones. By defunding the police you practically impede the type of police reform that would prevent situations like the George Floyd murder.
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The issue is that in order to reform the police you need money, money to train police officers, hire police officers of better quality, and to retain skilled police officers rather than hiring only the dumbest and cheapest ones. By defunding the police you practically impede the type of police reform that would prevent situations like the George Floyd murder.
No, shifting funds away from policing into other social services that can better serve services that police are often expected to provide and allowing police to no longer handle those functions contributes to reform.
The answer isn't always give cops more money.
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The question is often how this money will be used and do you control it.
Think of it within a capitalist framework: the city hires the police to buy safety. Does the police provide what the city needs?
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I found some things in this article to be of interest, https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 599232001/
Steve Laskowitz, 73, of Boca Raton, Florida, agreed.
"I think it's misguided," said Laskowitz, who was among those surveyed. "I don't think anybody wants to defund the police. I think we might want to restructure how the police budget is spent, better training, better analysis of the people who become police and more efforts towards community involvement."
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Then the DoJ would be breaking the law.
https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/ ... transcript
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Then the DoJ would be breaking the law.
https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/ ... transcript
I myself am not for Nationalized police because of the clause you cited in the Constitution.
But when has the Constitution mattered to the DC political establishment?
I'm just more interested in seeing what the popular opinion would be.
The Minneapolis City Council voted to trim 4.5% from the budget which is set aside for police; there will be no layoffs of police officers.
A billion dollars that was earmarked for police in NYC was sent to other agencies. There have been no layoffs of police officers in NYC.
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Are the Mounties a sign Canada's on the verge of becoming authoritarian?
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America already has a national police force, they just don't handle everything because they're not allowed.
kitesandtrainsandcats makes a case for why it's not possible to expand the role of the FBI but that doesn't mean that nation-wide standards can't be created and enforced by the DoJ. They'd be less likely to be corrupted by personal relationships with members of local policing so would likely be more trustworthy than any sort of internal affairs type of unit that's still part of the local police.
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