Conflict with China a ‘high likelihood’, says top Australian

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06 May 2021, 3:43 pm

If war did indeed break out between China and Australia, things would end very, very, very poorly for Australia.

Anyway, this is probably just Australian saberpocket knife rattling for a domestic audience.


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06 May 2021, 4:35 pm

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If war did indeed break out between China and Australia, things would end very, very, very poorly for Australia.

Anyway, this is probably just Australian saberpocket knife rattling for a domestic audience.


Our conservative prime-minister knows the population is anti-Asian to start of with so it's an easy vote grabber except the ramification is huge. China is now out largest investor and they can easily make us suffer without firing a shot.



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06 May 2021, 4:45 pm

This sounds like nativist paranoia meant to terrify voters into supporting conservative candidates.
China is not stupid enough to start a war with Australia. It would be economically and diplomatically disastrous and victory would not be assured. Something tells me Australians would make life hell for any occupying power. It would become a quagmire a la Afghanistan except with more countries funding the insurgents.
Besides, they'd go after Taiwan well before they went after y'all, I'd imagine.


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06 May 2021, 5:05 pm

poor taiwan, they're living on borrowed time.



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06 May 2021, 5:54 pm

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poor taiwan, they're living on borrowed time.


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06 May 2021, 5:58 pm

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South China Sea: China’s aggression backfiring as Quad alliance mobilises

Even neutral nations are hitting back at Beijing’s “wolf warrior” tactics but China’s doubling down and has threatened Australia’s “peace and stability”.
Jamie Seidel


ANALYSIS

Duelling diplomats on Twitter. Fisticuffs in Fiji. “Xi thought” dominated policy. It’s all backfiring for Beijing, with previously neutral nations being driven into an alliance against it.

India has been ferocious in maintaining its “non aligned” status for decades. It refused to openly take sides in the Cold War between the USSR and US. It’s stridently remained independent in matters of defence and foreign policy ever since.

But that has suddenly changed.

Earlier this week, New Delhi dared Beijing’s wrath by inviting Canberra to join its high-level naval war-games with fellow democracies Tokyo and Washington.


https://www.news.com.au/technology/inno ... 583d17996e


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06 May 2021, 6:05 pm

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The gloves—or masks—are off in Asia. China’s coronavirus mask diplomacy has given way to bare-knuckled geopolitical fistfights with a growing array of its neighbors. In the past few months alone, it clashed with India in one of the worst border flare-ups in decades, escalated standoffs with Vietnam and Malaysia in the South China Sea, pressured Taiwan with nighttime drills in the Taiwan Strait, and threatened Australia with boycotts of wine, beef, barley, and Chinese students. Meanwhile, China’s “wolf warrior” diplomats—a moniker taken from a particularly nationalistic Rambo-esque movie—are engaging in a vigorous cybercampaign to defend Communist Party interests and offer thinly veiled threats if countries stray from the “correct stance” on important issues.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/06/18/ch ... alliances/



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06 May 2021, 7:54 pm

roronoa79 wrote:
This sounds like nativist paranoia meant to terrify voters into supporting conservative candidates.
China is not stupid enough to start a war with Australia. It would be economically and diplomatically disastrous and victory would not be assured. Something tells me Australians would make life hell for any occupying power. It would become a quagmire a la Afghanistan except with more countries funding the insurgents.
Besides, they'd go after Taiwan well before they went after y'all, I'd imagine.


Precisely correct. It's easy for the millionaires in our conservative party and their supporters to sabre rattle at the Chinese because their jobs are not on the line. China will gleefully take economic retribution and its (as always) the poor and vulnerable in Australia who suffer.



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06 May 2021, 7:56 pm

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The gloves—or masks—are off in Asia. China’s coronavirus mask diplomacy has given way to bare-knuckled geopolitical fistfights with a growing array of its neighbors. In the past few months alone, it clashed with India in one of the worst border flare-ups in decades, escalated standoffs with Vietnam and Malaysia in the South China Sea, pressured Taiwan with nighttime drills in the Taiwan Strait, and threatened Australia with boycotts of wine, beef, barley, and Chinese students. Meanwhile, China’s “wolf warrior” diplomats—a moniker taken from a particularly nationalistic Rambo-esque movie—are engaging in a vigorous cybercampaign to defend Communist Party interests and offer thinly veiled threats if countries stray from the “correct stance” on important issues.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/06/18/ch ... alliances/



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Alas China will see this as a "internal matter" between themselves and Taiwan (like with HK). I am not sure why we need to stick our necks out for Taiwan?



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06 May 2021, 8:24 pm

because it is the prudent and moral thing to do. when one of us [democracies in general] is imperiled, all of us are. the Reverend Martin Niemöller warned us in WW2 about appeasement.



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06 May 2021, 9:42 pm

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because it is the prudent and moral thing to do. when one of us [democracies in general] is imperiled, all of us are. the Reverend Martin Niemöller warned us in WW2 about appeasement.


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A case can be made that the historical parallels are not just the ones concerning the resemblance of Xi’s China to Hitler’s Germany. The parallels are also about responses from the rest of the world, including of course the West, and the way these responses are being read by the mandarins in Beijing. No one broke off diplomatic relations with Germany when Dachau was set up. Did the hapless Uighurs actually expect any action from the world’s human rights lovers? Someone in Beijing has read up on the supine stance of flabby democracies as articulated by German ideologues of the 1930s.


https://theprint.in/india/xis-china-is- ... ry/481961/


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06 May 2021, 9:44 pm

we absolutely do NOT need china, let the rest of the world get down in the nastiness with them, america can once again try and succeed to be the shining city on a hill. enough of us 'muuricans have to give a damn and want it. but if the rest of the world follows our lead on this, then some good work can be done.



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08 May 2021, 4:15 am

Hysterical mountain built atop a real, and growing anthill of danger.

Not gonna happen today, tomorrow, nor the next day.

But absolutely Australia needs those alliances (that Trump tried so hard to dismantle) with pacific rim countries and with the US to face an ever more assertive China in the future.

Australia came close to falling to another Asian power, during World War Two. Japan. And relied on Britain, and the US, to survive then.

Australia is low hanging fruit. Low in population and rich in rescources that a densely populated rapidly industrializing country, like Japan in the Forties, and China today, would want to grab.

But there is another region much like that- hard to defend, low population density, storehouse of mineral wealth, that also dangles in front of China's covetous eyes even closer to China than Australia. That place is Siberia. The largest part of China's ally -Putin's Russian Republic. So thats one thing Aussies can be thankful for. Putin's Russia is in more immediate danger of having it's limbs devoured by China than is Australia. Lol!



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08 May 2021, 6:15 am

naturalplastic wrote:
Hysterical mountain built atop a real, and growing anthill of danger.

Not gonna happen today, tomorrow, nor the next day.

But absolutely Australia needs those alliances (that Trump tried so hard to dismantle) with pacific rim countries and with the US to face an ever more assertive China in the future.

Australia came close to falling to another Asian power, during World War Two. Japan. And relied on Britain, and the US, to survive then.

Australia is low hanging fruit. Low in population and rich in rescources that a densely populated rapidly industrializing country, like Japan in the Forties, and China today, would want to grab.

But there is another region much like that- hard to defend, low population density, storehouse of mineral wealth, that also dangles in front of China's covetous eyes even closer to China than Australia. That place is Siberia. The largest part of China's ally -Putin's Russian Republic. So thats one thing Aussies can be thankful for. Putin's Russia is in more immediate danger of having it's limbs devoured by China than is Australia. Lol!


China can do both...in addition to Africa and South America simultaneously.



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08 May 2021, 7:56 am

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naturalplastic wrote:
Hysterical mountain built atop a real, and growing anthill of danger.

Not gonna happen today, tomorrow, nor the next day.

But absolutely Australia needs those alliances (that Trump tried so hard to dismantle) with pacific rim countries and with the US to face an ever more assertive China in the future.

Australia came close to falling to another Asian power, during World War Two. Japan. And relied on Britain, and the US, to survive then.

Australia is low hanging fruit. Low in population and rich in rescources that a densely populated rapidly industrializing country, like Japan in the Forties, and China today, would want to grab.

But there is another region much like that- hard to defend, low population density, storehouse of mineral wealth, that also dangles in front of China's covetous eyes even closer to China than Australia. That place is Siberia. The largest part of China's ally -Putin's Russian Republic. So thats one thing Aussies can be thankful for. Putin's Russia is in more immediate danger of having it's limbs devoured by China than is Australia. Lol!


China can do both...in addition to Africa and South America simultaneously.


It cannot project raw military power in every direction like that. Not yet. The US is the only superpower that can do anything like that now. Though China is seeking to gradually build up long term soft economic leverage in Africa, South America, and even in Europe ( and even here in North America) as we speak.



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08 May 2021, 7:45 pm

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cyberdad wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Hysterical mountain built atop a real, and growing anthill of danger.

Not gonna happen today, tomorrow, nor the next day.

But absolutely Australia needs those alliances (that Trump tried so hard to dismantle) with pacific rim countries and with the US to face an ever more assertive China in the future.

Australia came close to falling to another Asian power, during World War Two. Japan. And relied on Britain, and the US, to survive then.

Australia is low hanging fruit. Low in population and rich in rescources that a densely populated rapidly industrializing country, like Japan in the Forties, and China today, would want to grab.

But there is another region much like that- hard to defend, low population density, storehouse of mineral wealth, that also dangles in front of China's covetous eyes even closer to China than Australia. That place is Siberia. The largest part of China's ally -Putin's Russian Republic. So thats one thing Aussies can be thankful for. Putin's Russia is in more immediate danger of having it's limbs devoured by China than is Australia. Lol!


China can do both...in addition to Africa and South America simultaneously.


It cannot project raw military power in every direction like that. Not yet. The US is the only superpower that can do anything like that now. Though China is seeking to gradually build up long term soft economic leverage in Africa, South America, and even in Europe ( and even here in North America) as we speak.


I'm sure the Celts, the goths and the Egyptians said the same thing about the Romans :lol:

China has watched how European colonists did the very things you are speaking about over a couple of hundred years. China know they have time on their side. If a handful of British adventurers and their paid mercenaries could take over the entire Mughal empire then why should China think they couldn't do the same?