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16 May 2021, 12:17 am
16 May 2021, 5:29 am
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magz wrote:
Poles fought for the allies and then - we interpret it that we were sold to Stalin at the Yalta conference. I can get that almost everyone was tired of this war and wanted peace even at a cost of sending millions of people to another evil - but the feeling of being betrayed is here, too.
WWII had very strong Good vs Evil propaganda but while Nazi Germany was evil, the rest for sure weren't saints - and USSR was another evil that was left to be, because, unlike Nazi Germany, it didn't threaten London or Paris.
WWII had very strong Good vs Evil propaganda but while Nazi Germany was evil, the rest for sure weren't saints - and USSR was another evil that was left to be, because, unlike Nazi Germany, it didn't threaten London or Paris.
I've always been impressed with the valor of Polish soldiers in WWII, and recall reading that Polish RAF pilots outperformed native British pilots in the Battle of Britain.
The Allies needed Soviet Union's help to defeat the Nazis.
Polish people were ready for another war, this time with the Soviet Union - but the Allies didn't care for it because Soviets did not immediately threaten them. So, we were left to Stalin. A little sacrifice for peace
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16 May 2021, 4:15 pm
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Every Muslim and Arab and Middle Easterner to this day regrets betraying the Ottomans and wishes that the Arabs never allied with the British and French against the Ottoman Caliphate.
Honestly, I sense Muslim Brotherhood narrative in your talk, there are other parts I find very troubling.
The above quote is so extremely inaccurate and far from the truth; personally I know no secular Egyptian, or Saudi(even the religious ones) or Lebanese who is fan of the Ottomans or regret the alliance with the west against them
.... except the Muslim Brotherhood because Erdogan is one of them .https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyrs'_Square,_Beirut
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16 May 2021, 5:13 pm
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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Every Muslim and Arab and Middle Easterner to this day regrets betraying the Ottomans and wishes that the Arabs never allied with the British and French against the Ottoman Caliphate.
Honestly, I sense Muslim Brotherhood narrative in your talk, there are other parts I find very troubling.
The above quote is so extremely inaccurate and far from the truth; personally I know no secular Egyptian, or Saudi(even the religious ones) or Lebanese who is fan of the Ottomans or regret the alliance with the west against them
.... except the Muslim Brotherhood because Erdogan is one of them .https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyrs'_Square,_Beirut
Yeah that sounds more than a little far-fetched to suggest that 100% of Muslims whose ancestors were ruled by the Ottomans over a century ago unanimously long for a return to being collectively ruled from Istanbul. Did you think the Ottoman Empire was a magical land of sunshine and cooperation between Muslims of all kinds? And not an imperial Turkish state built on the subjugation of everyone else?
The only interpretation of this I can see is plausible is Arabs being rightfully angry with the Entente for promising them national self-determination if they rebelled against the Ottomans only to shamelessly renege on that promise and colonize them once the Ottomans were kicked out.
16 May 2021, 8:27 pm
16 May 2021, 11:33 pm
magz wrote:
Poles fought for the allies and then - we interpret it that we were sold to Stalin at the Yalta conference. I can get that almost everyone was tired of this war and wanted peace even at a cost of sending millions of people to another evil - but the feeling of being betrayed is here, too.
WWII had very strong Good vs Evil propaganda but while Nazi Germany was evil, the rest for sure weren't saints - and USSR was another evil that was left to be, because, unlike Nazi Germany, it didn't threaten London or Paris.
WWII had very strong Good vs Evil propaganda but while Nazi Germany was evil, the rest for sure weren't saints - and USSR was another evil that was left to be, because, unlike Nazi Germany, it didn't threaten London or Paris.
The soviets were part of the allied force, and when they entered the defeated Germany, there was a rape-fest that my mother was a victim of, also.
And then there were the eisenhauser death camps...
And then there was the man made famine...
The allies being the good guys?
16 May 2021, 11:58 pm
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If the way the Chinese are treating the Uighurs is anything to go by, methinks the Middle East would be doing worse under China than America.
It's probably not, though. Minorities like the Uighurs would be an issue for any non-Muslim majority country, and due to the size of tge minority and the somewhat clearly defined territory, they do pose not just a problem to the sovereignty of the Chinese state, but also to the territorial integrity of the nation.
That is not to say that I agree with how China is handling this, but that national interests are at stake and would be in any other country, too.
Yes, most other countries would engage in genocide/sterilisation and organ harvesting the way the CCP does, in the same situation. <sarcasm>
A CCP apologist?
I hope not...
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17 May 2021, 5:29 am
Pepe wrote:
magz wrote:
Poles fought for the allies and then - we interpret it that we were sold to Stalin at the Yalta conference. I can get that almost everyone was tired of this war and wanted peace even at a cost of sending millions of people to another evil - but the feeling of being betrayed is here, too.
WWII had very strong Good vs Evil propaganda but while Nazi Germany was evil, the rest for sure weren't saints - and USSR was another evil that was left to be, because, unlike Nazi Germany, it didn't threaten London or Paris.
WWII had very strong Good vs Evil propaganda but while Nazi Germany was evil, the rest for sure weren't saints - and USSR was another evil that was left to be, because, unlike Nazi Germany, it didn't threaten London or Paris.
The soviets were part of the allied force, and when they entered the defeated Germany, there was a rape-fest that my mother was a victim of, also.
And then there were the eisenhauser death camps...
And then there was the man made famine...
The allies being the good guys?
According to the movies and video games, yeah.
And don't forget the 2 A-bombs.
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17 May 2021, 5:55 am
I want to add regarding "Morsi" being an example by salad of a good "anti-imperialist" Muslim leader.
O boy, where to even start. First, Mohammad Morsi, is a Muslim Brotherhood, so ideologically their loyalty isn't for Egypt but for the "Umma"; MB don't believe in these borders nor in the modern concept of countries.
You can google about Qatar and Iran's interferences into Egypt during Morsi's rule. During his rule, voices raised calling Morsi to demolish the pyramids, to banish all Shias and Baha'is from Egypt and to make hijab compulsory, not to mention the new constitution that he was trying to implement would have taken their women back to the Middle ages. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/ ... revolution
The army in egypt is not just 'an army' , it's everywhere, their national army probably controls half of their GDP, they own companies, entire industries, very well armed, and they're ideologically very secular - there was no way they would have accepted a such rule peacefully for so long.
Today, even the Grand Imam of Al-Azhar (the highest Sunni cleric in the world at the same level of Pope to Catholics, and the Muslim Brotherhood don't follow him btw) have been issuing very pro women rights fatwas lately, of course thanks to the army's pressure and not really to him 
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EMPLOYMENT
In his statement, El-Tayeb said that Islam allows women more rights and independence in various fields, such as employment.
“Women are allowed to hold important positions in general including in the judiciary field and Iftaa,” stated El-Tayeb. Iftaa is defined as the eligibility to issue a religious opinion regarding various topics from an Islamic perspective.
In his statement, El-Tayeb said that Islam allows women more rights and independence in various fields, such as employment.
“Women are allowed to hold important positions in general including in the judiciary field and Iftaa,” stated El-Tayeb. Iftaa is defined as the eligibility to issue a religious opinion regarding various topics from an Islamic perspective.
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MARRIAGE
In regards to marriage, El-Tayeb said that the guardians of women in the family, who are mostly men, are not allowed to reject a woman’s wishes to marry a man who proposed to her without a valid justification
.In regards to marriage, El-Tayeb said that the guardians of women in the family, who are mostly men, are not allowed to reject a woman’s wishes to marry a man who proposed to her without a valid justification
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Lastly, according to El-Tayeb, a woman is allowed to determine her share in her spouse’s fortune if she had a significant contribution to gaining it. El-Tayeb clarifies that examples of cases that shows her contribution would be: “lending him money, working with him abroad, and soon thereafter, it [the wealth] prospered under the name of the husband in form of cash money and\or real estate units,” asserted El-Tayeb, “Therefore, a woman is entitled to determine her share of her husband’s wealth while he is alive or after his death, and this case is not subject to Islam’s inheritance law.”
https://egyptianstreets.com/2021/05/09/ ... ns-rights/
That would not have been possible without that coup.
17 May 2021, 7:15 am
Pepe wrote:
shlaifu wrote:
salad wrote:
If the way the Chinese are treating the Uighurs is anything to go by, methinks the Middle East would be doing worse under China than America.
It's probably not, though. Minorities like the Uighurs would be an issue for any non-Muslim majority country, and due to the size of tge minority and the somewhat clearly defined territory, they do pose not just a problem to the sovereignty of the Chinese state, but also to the territorial integrity of the nation.
That is not to say that I agree with how China is handling this, but that national interests are at stake and would be in any other country, too.
Yes, most other countries would engage in genocide/sterilisation and organ harvesting the way the CCP does, in the same situation. <sarcasm>
A CCP apologist?
I hope not...
No, but take almost any incident that ends in "-genocide" that took place in the last hundred years...
But yeah, the organ harvesting is exceptional.
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