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20 Jul 2021, 6:54 pm

It could be argued that it's not been proved that Boris said that. Though I've read that some Tories were expressing that same view, that they weren't interested in having a lockdown just to stop a bunch of old people dying, a year or so ago. Again there's no proof. My best guess is that there's an element in the Conservative party who really are that callous. The concept of "wets and dries" has been applied to individual Tories depending on how hard-line they are:

I've lost count of the number of times business leaders have advocated putting their own interests before public health considerations. Not long ago they were demanding a "road map" out of lockdown with fixed dates, no matter what the virus turned out to be doing when those dates were reached. Nobody who cared about human lives and public health would demand that. And Conservatism is on the whole deeply sympathetic towards business leaders, being traditionally the party of business and the elite generally.

I can well understand why anybody with a sense of compassion for ordinary people might hate the Tories. I suppose it's possible that some Tory supporters - perhaps even some Tory politicians, though I think it's less likely - genuinely think Conservatism will improve conditions for all, and that the Left's ideology would only make things worse.

It's hard to know what goes on in the mind of a given Tory. I wouldn't expect them to publicly declare that they wanted a cut-throat, jungle society in which the weak perish and the rich get richer at the expense of the rest of us. But I do know that the Conservative party have wrecked some people's lives - there was the Windrush scandal, and the scandal of disabled people dying very shortly after being declared fit for work (and losing their benefits) when it was obvious they were nothing of the kind. And I don't see any hard evidence that they want to change it.

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29 Jul 2021, 1:55 pm

My criticisms of conservatism come from the opposite direction to most of the other criticisms on this thread I think. My criticisms are not at all original, but they might be new to some (especially to people who get all their news from CNN, MSNBC, The Guardian and so on, lol)

First of all there is a different between regular people who are conservatives, and professional conservatives. Regular conservatives are often just naïve and well-meaning people, whereas professional conservatives are usually actors playing a part for money (in other words, professional conservatives are usually just false opposition to the globalist socially liberal consensus). Both types of conservative feed off the other, and so they usually come out with the same sort of rhetoric. Specifically-

- Conservatives constantly claim that leftists are “misguided” while they, conservatives, are smart, even while leftists win victory after victory against them. Conservatives insist on playing by the rules while moaning that the left is being unfair. Conservatives think that pointing out a leftist’s hypocrisy, or writing some 4,000 word essay, is going to change a leftist’s mind. This is all because Conservatives cannot or will not accept that leftists are ideological enemies who are at war with them.

- Conservatives are constantly accepting the moral terms of the left, meaning that their defences against the left’s verbal attacks are often just lame. Eg, you get some conservatives deciding they need more minorities in their ranks because they’re worried about leftists calling them names, or you get conservatives coming out with stuff about how the original KKK were democrats as if it has any relevance in the 21st century.

- Conservatives will usually end up accepting – 5 or 10 years down the line - what the liberal left is pushing, They’ll then claim that it was always a conervative value.

- Regular conservatives are frequently blinded to the destruction of the things they once valued by establishment-sponsored phoney displays of flag-wearing patriotism.

- Professional conservatives, when attacking the left, usually focus most of their effort on just about the only leftist policies that actually have mass popular appeal (ie, socialist economics)

- Professional conservatives, of the talk-radio loudmouth variety, pretend they are tough-talking, no nonsense types, when they are usually just globalist establishment stooges who reserve all their true vitriol for anyone to the right of them.

I could go on.