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19 May 2021, 9:18 pm

These are the traits of people I've noticed (in jobs I've had) that get promoted. There's no fixed rule for every situation, but there are things I noticed:

They are presentable. They don't always have to be physically fit or attractive, but good hygiene, appropriate dress code, well groomed.

They can be assertive and serious in the situations that warrant it. Not necessarily mean or bossy, but somewhat assertive. They can be someone you could realistically see giving order to people.

They are sociable and have some level of charisma. They're not necessarily always super charming. But they have some interpersonal skills.

They have some humor. Just enough humor to be sociable and get along with people. But not excessive humor. They're not the class clown that's always cracking jokes and never taking anything seriously.

Anything yall want to add to this?



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19 May 2021, 10:06 pm

More Traits of People Who Get Promoted:

• They are prompt, present, and aware of everything going on around them.

• They do not make excuses or blame others -- they admit their mistakes and own them.

• They are more concerned with solving a problem than with discussing it ("What?  Another meeting?").

• They support the people who serve them.

• Subordinate mistakes are never punished, only corrected (at least, as long as no one gets hurt).


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19 May 2021, 10:50 pm

They are friends with the boss



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19 May 2021, 11:12 pm

- Not being me. :oops:


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20 May 2021, 8:35 am

shortfatbalduglyman wrote:
They are friends with the boss
Ahh ... but why are they friends?
funeralxempire wrote:
- Not being me. :oops:
Do you truly lack all of the qualities listed so far?  To reiterate:

• Subordinate mistakes are rarely punished, only corrected.

• They are just sociable enough to get along with most people.

• They are more concerned with solving a problem than with discussing it.

• They are prompt, present, and aware of everything going on around them.

• They are results-oriented; they set goals and meet them.

• They do not make excuses or blame others; instead, they admit their mistakes and own them.

• They dress well, as if ready for a meeting.

• They have a good sense of humor; but are neither jokers nor abusive.

• They support the people who serve them.

• They take their jobs seriously enough to get the job done.


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22 May 2021, 1:11 am

Fnord wrote:
More Traits of People Who Get Promoted:

• They are prompt, present, and aware of everything going on around them.

• They do not make excuses or blame others -- they admit their mistakes and own them.

• They are more concerned with solving a problem than with discussing it ("What?  Another meeting?").

• They support the people who serve them.

• Subordinate mistakes are never punished, only corrected (at least, as long as no one gets hurt).


This is sort of an ideal manager fantasy, while most of these are almost standard, I can't agree with #2 as common among the majority of managers, there are several middle managers and managers who pass the buck, don't take responsibility when things go wrong, only when things go right.



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22 May 2021, 6:58 am

The promoted people are not always more occupationally competent than, the rejected applicants



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22 May 2021, 6:28 pm

Fnord wrote:
Traits of People Who Get Promoted. To reiterate:

• Subordinate mistakes are rarely punished, only corrected.

• They are just sociable enough to get along with most people.

• They are more concerned with solving a problem than with discussing it.

• They are prompt, present, and aware of everything going on around them.

• They are results-oriented; they set goals and meet them.

• They do not make excuses or blame others; instead, they admit their mistakes and own them.

• They dress well, as if ready for a meeting.

• They have a good sense of humor; but are neither jokers nor abusive.

• They support the people who serve them.

• They take their jobs seriously enough to get the job done.
PLEASE note that this is not an "All-Or-Nothing" list. Instead, it is a list of traits, the more of which a person has, the more likely that person will be promoted.

Lacking only one trait does not make a person a bad candidate for promotion.

:roll: Must be that Black-And-White thinking so many Aspies seem to employ.


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10 Jun 2021, 12:33 pm

At my place of work, it's kissing ass and blind obedience. See, a lot of places don't want someone too smart, they want someone who is just smart enough to be competent(sometimes) but not too smart, so there not questioning the suits. They want "Yes" men or women, no descent and to be a corporate Robot. This why someone on the spectrum many time, wouldn't have a chance in hell.

I do agree personality and image do play a roll but you have to be so fake at the same time, again no way I can do that.


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Fnord wrote:
shortfatbalduglyman wrote:
They are friends with the boss
Ahh ... but why are they friends?
funeralxempire wrote:
- Not being me. :oops:
Do you truly lack all of the qualities listed so far?  To reiterate:

• Subordinate mistakes are rarely punished, only corrected.

• They are just sociable enough to get along with most people.

• They are more concerned with solving a problem than with discussing it.

• They are prompt, present, and aware of everything going on around them.

• They are results-oriented; they set goals and meet them.

• They do not make excuses or blame others; instead, they admit their mistakes and own them.

• They dress well, as if ready for a meeting.

• They have a good sense of humor; but are neither jokers nor abusive.

• They support the people who serve them.

• They take their jobs seriously enough to get the job done.


Many of them, although at the moment I was just making a joke.

1, 2 (at times), 3, (sometimes, and I'm improving with) 5 and 8.

I think it's time I embrace and monetize my clown identity. :clown:


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King Kat 1 wrote:
At my place of work, it's kissing ass and blind obedience.  See, a lot of places don't want someone too smart, they want someone who is just smart enough to be competent(sometimes) but not too smart, so there not questioning the suits.  They want "Yes" men or women, no descent and to be a corporate Robot.  This why someone on the spectrum many time, wouldn't have a chance in hell.  I do agree personality and image do play a roll but you have to be so fake at the same time, again no way I can do that.
You need to either (1) find a new place of work, or (2) stop assuming your place of work is typical of all places of work.


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Fnord wrote:
King Kat 1 wrote:
At my place of work, it's kissing ass and blind obedience.  See, a lot of places don't want someone too smart, they want someone who is just smart enough to be competent(sometimes) but not too smart, so there not questioning the suits.  They want "Yes" men or women, no descent and to be a corporate Robot.  This why someone on the spectrum many time, wouldn't have a chance in hell.  I do agree personality and image do play a roll but you have to be so fake at the same time, again no way I can do that.
You need to either (1) find a new place of work, or (2) stop assuming your place of work is typical of all places of work.


He didn't say all places of work were like that. As quoted, "a lot of places." This is true. I wonder if some Aspies who get promoted and have underlings also forget this, or become blinded by their own biases. Just a thought.



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Fnord wrote:
King Kat 1 wrote:
At my place of work, it's kissing ass and blind obedience.  See, a lot of places don't want someone too smart, they want someone who is just smart enough to be competent(sometimes) but not too smart, so there not questioning the suits.  They want "Yes" men or women, no descent and to be a corporate Robot.  This why someone on the spectrum many time, wouldn't have a chance in hell.  I do agree personality and image do play a roll but you have to be so fake at the same time, again no way I can do that.
You need to either (1) find a new place of work, or (2) stop assuming your place of work is typical of all places of work.
He didn't say all places of work were like that. As quoted, "a lot of places." This is true. I wonder if some Aspies who get promoted and have underlings also forget this, or become blinded by their own biases. Just a thought.
Other thoughts for you to think:

• How often do aspies equate "most -- or even "some" -- with "all"?

• How often is "most" used as a dog-whistle by aspies to represent "each and every one"?


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Other thoughts for you to think:

• How often do aspies equate "most -- or even "some" -- with "all"?

• How often is "most" used as a dog-whistle by aspies to represent "each and every one"?


For me, the word "most" means a great many, good amount, a vast majority, but not specifically all... Certainly not each and every one. I can be very literal in my thinking, as I assumed most of us were.

"Some" allows an even greater margin for exceptions to a (perceived) norm.

On the surface, your arguments about disregarding the literal meaning of a word for a psuedo-synonymous meaning seems like the antithesis of the stereotypical Aspie mindset. Unless you're saying this is a common problem among Aspies?



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I work for a large multinational company and American Corporate culture, yes MANY, not every single one but MANY companies are indeed like this. Middle Management are nothing but yes men. I would say a lot of high functioning Aspies can see through BS and will call it out, sometimes not at the best times, speaking for myself, I've been in this situation and I can't do fake.

I worked with a guy, who if I were a betting man, would say he was on the spectrum. Now, I'm not a doctor but it was kind of obvious to me. He was an excellent worker, was always on time, never called off the entire time he worked for the company, and rarely took a day off, in fact he gave time back to the company because we have a "use it or lose it" policy. He had a degree in business management and was definitely qualified but.. sadly, he couldn't do the corporate fakeness so he got denied for a promotion twice.

So, they promoted some loser who sucked as a worker, smoked weed in his spare time, and slept with everyone in that place. However, he knew how to kiss ass and suck up.

It's not what you know, it's who you know(or in some cases blow).


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ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
... On the surface, your arguments about disregarding the literal meaning of a word for a psuedo-synonymous meaning seems like the antithesis of the stereotypical Aspie mindset. Unless you're saying this is a common problem among Aspies?
Have you browsed any of the political discussions lately?

• Some people engage in violence during an otherwise peaceful demonstration, and suddenly ALL of the demonstrators are labelled as 'Antifa' members who want nothing less than the violent overthrow of society and the elimination of ALL white people EVERYWHERE.

• Some people receiving a covid vaccine experience harmful side-effects, and suddenly ALL vaccines are a threat to EVERYBODY who needs one and that EVERYONE who receives a vaccine is doomed to a horrible and painful death.

• Some people openly support programs that provide people of color with the means to overcome poverty and oppression, and suddenly ALL people who do so are G^D-hating Socialists who want nothing less than the abolition of wealth and the violent elimination of the wealthy.

It makes me feel sad when I see one exception being proclaimed as the rule for all, and when a few isolated events are claimed as happening everywhere and all of the time, and I see this occurring more often among aspies and conspiracy theorists than anywhere else.


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