Labor has 'forgotten about the people who actually matter'

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25 May 2021, 8:57 am

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The term "people who actually matter" suggests a nasty implication that some people don't...
It's "conservative speak", they like hierarchical pyramids with them sitting on the top.
Specifically, wealthy, white, racist, sexist, Evangelical/Fundamentalist Christian men.

Evidence please...



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25 May 2021, 9:00 am

Brictoria wrote:
Fnord wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
magz wrote:
The term "people who actually matter" suggests a nasty implication that some people don't...
It's "conservative speak", they like hierarchical pyramids with them sitting on the top.
Specifically, wealthy, white, racist, sexist, Evangelical/Fundamentalist Christian men.
Evidence please...

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25 May 2021, 4:45 pm

Fnord wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Fnord wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
magz wrote:
The term "people who actually matter" suggests a nasty implication that some people don't...
It's "conservative speak", they like hierarchical pyramids with them sitting on the top.
Specifically, wealthy, white, racist, sexist, Evangelical/Fundamentalist Christian men.
Evidence please...

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25 May 2021, 5:55 pm

Fnord wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Fnord wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
magz wrote:
The term "people who actually matter" suggests a nasty implication that some people don't...
It's "conservative speak", they like hierarchical pyramids with them sitting on the top.
Specifically, wealthy, white, racist, sexist, Evangelical/Fundamentalist Christian men.
Evidence please...

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That is not "evidence".
That may simply be one example.
And you can't validly create a binary/generalisation from one instance. 8)

Also, I doubt that Trump is a committed Christian. :wink:



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25 May 2021, 8:19 pm

Pepe wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Fnord wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
magz wrote:
The term "people who actually matter" suggests a nasty implication that some people don't...
It's "conservative speak", they like hierarchical pyramids with them sitting on the top.
Specifically, wealthy, white, racist, sexist, Evangelical/Fundamentalist Christian men.
Evidence please...

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That is not "evidence".
That may simply be one example.
And you can't validly create a binary/generalisation from one instance. 8)

Also, I doubt that Trump is a committed Christian. :wink:


It's noteworthy that the supposed "evidence" contains nothing to support the stated assertion.

Looking at the thread, there was mention of "People who matter", to which 2 later participants suggested, with no supporting evidence, that this referred to a certain category of person, whilst providing nothing to substantiate this claim.

Given the lack of evidence to support the assertion regarding "conservative speak", or that "conservatives" (as a whole, given the claimants made no indication that they was only referring to a subset of this category) suppposedly believe that only "wealthy, white, racist, sexist, Evangelical/Fundamentalist Christian men" matter, it is much more likely that the claims made were instead a demonstration that those making the claim lack any knowledge of the beliefs of those people whose beliefs they were claiming to present ("conservatives), and were instead projecting their own, personal understanding of the "people who matter" onto them...



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25 May 2021, 10:10 pm

Brictoria wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Fnord wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
magz wrote:
The term "people who actually matter" suggests a nasty implication that some people don't...
It's "conservative speak", they like hierarchical pyramids with them sitting on the top.
Specifically, wealthy, white, racist, sexist, Evangelical/Fundamentalist Christian men.
Evidence please...

Image


That is not "evidence".
That may simply be one example.
And you can't validly create a binary/generalisation from one instance. 8)

Also, I doubt that Trump is a committed Christian. :wink:


It's noteworthy that the supposed "evidence" contains nothing to support the stated assertion.

Looking at the thread, there was mention of "People who matter", to which 2 later participants suggested, with no supporting evidence, that this referred to a certain category of person, whilst providing nothing to substantiate this claim.

Given the lack of evidence to support the assertion regarding "conservative speak", or that "conservatives" (as a whole, given the claimants made no indication that they was only referring to a subset of this category) suppposedly believe that only "wealthy, white, racist, sexist, Evangelical/Fundamentalist Christian men" matter, it is much more likely that the claims made were instead a demonstration that those making the claim lack any knowledge of the beliefs of those people whose beliefs they were claiming to present ("conservatives), and were instead projecting their own, personal understanding of the "people who matter" onto them...


This is the problem when one simply follows a narrative, rather than engaging in Critical Thinking. 8)



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25 May 2021, 10:34 pm

Pepe wrote:
This is the problem when one simply follows a narrative, rather than engaging in Critical Thinking. 8)


Indeed :roll:



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26 May 2021, 4:30 am

magz wrote:
The term "people who actually matter" suggests a nasty implication that some people don't...


Context, my dear. 8)

The context is the "people who actually matter" within the labour part. :wink:

The Labor party was predominately created for blue-collar workers.
There are a lot of Labor voters, these days, who have different values, than the traditional ones, that are at loggerheads.

The Green's convoy, from Melbourne to Queensland, with the intention of stopping Adani seriously backfired and probably help the conservative win "the unwinnable" election. :mrgreen:

Shorten said one thing to his inner-city woke voters and another to the coal mining community in Queensland.
Is there any wonder Bill lost credibility? :mrgreen:

I didn't vote for the conservatives in that federal election, BTW.
I was pissed off with the conservatives being in bed with the corrupt banking and superannuation system.
I probably won't vote for anyone at all, in the next Fed election either.
A pox on all their houses. 8)



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27 May 2021, 7:34 pm

Biscuitman wrote:
Society changes over time, politics changes with it. This really isn't groundbreaking stuff.

Bourgeoisie money and bourgeoisie media infiltrate and defang working class parties. Having less money is a big disadvantage where it comes to organizing a political party. It only happens spontaneously in extremely desperate times.