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08 Jun 2021, 11:43 pm

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I don't think you can generalize didn't stories of anime and combine them all into one to say they suck. That's like say all black and white movies suck or all color movies suck, or all movies shot in cinescope suck, etc.

Exactly. Or like saying all American cartoons suck.
But it is kind of weird, a lot of anime fans seem to watch just about anything, regardless of quality, as long as it's anime.
I could never get into that.
There's a lot of anime that I like, but most of it just isn't for me.


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09 Jun 2021, 12:04 am

SabbraCadabra wrote:
But it is kind of weird, a lot of anime fans seem to watch just about anything, regardless of quality, as long as it's anime.
I could never get into that.
There's a lot of anime that I like, but most of it just isn't for me.


I've never understood that mindset either.


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21 Jun 2021, 8:53 am

Another long list (from 1998) ...

Things I Learned from Watching Anime

• A girl interested in stealing someone else's boyfriend will politely inform her rival first.
• A haircut is always a traumatic event. So is the first kiss.
• A kind but unlucky guy is blessed/cursed with the perfect magical girlfriend, but will be unable to determine if she is a goddess or a demon.
• A moment of truth is always punctuated by a sudden gust of wind.
• A samurai's sword can cut through anything.
• A show without sexual tension is not worth watching.
• All characters over the age of 60 shrink in height in direct proportion to their age.
• All demons/monsters have enormous genitalia.
• All high school kids in Japan have parents that are away on extended business trips.
• All high school principals in Japan are clinically insane.
• All major villains either want to take over the world or blow it up.
• All people with esper powers give off multicolored auras.
• All persons under the age of 50 can do a ten-foot vertical jump from a standing position.
• All young children can pilot mecha -- you just need to give them a few days.
• Always take gravity into account.
• An "indirect" kiss is the next best thing.
• An anti-climax is a good climax.
• Anime villains have the best deaths.
• Any character can make a leap of 300 ft or more if given a good running start.
• Any conflict you can walk away from is an honorable one.
• Any love interest will always be possessed by a demon.
• Any truly evil person who changes sides for the woman he loves will die in that episode.
• Believe in goddesses.
• Cherry blossoms mean nostalgia.
• Consuming enormous amounts of alcohol daily will never have ill effects.
• Daydreaming leads to accidents.
• Death is always sudden and unexpected.
• Disappearing eyeballs means she's upset; add a sudden change of background and she's really upset.
• Do not trust the guys with two earrings.
• Double suicide is romantic.
• ESP causes more trouble than it solves.
• Even losers have some value.
• Even the bravest souls can be made weak and helpless by the sight of a cute little puppy or kitten.
• Even the most powerful men are allowed to have a full range of emotions.
• Everyone in Japan has excellent singing voices.
• Everyone wants to conquer Japan.
• Evil wears many tentacles.
• Extraterrestrials, demons, time travelers, et cetera, all want to alter the course of history by letting Oda Nobunaga win.
• Fancy ice cream is for girls only.
• Female androids are sexy; male androids are ... male androids.
• Female hair comes in every shade of the rainbow, while male hair is usually some shade of black, brown or blonde.
• Food is a powerful motivator.
• Giving up will not solve your problems.
• Good guys have only first names, and bad guys will have only last names.
• Honor is merely sexy; villainy is irresistible.
• Hot water has innumerable benefits.
• Idiot captains win battles against impossible odds.
• If a boy and a girl grew up together as next-door neighbors, then they're made for each other.
• If a sister falls in love with her brother, somewhere down the line you will discover that they are not blood related.
• If it is homemade but tastes bad, grin and bury it (discreetly).
• If she sings, she is doomed.
• If something interesting happens, then there must be at least one expository flashback about it.
• If the anime has the word "idol" in the title, then you know that it must be good.
• If the lyrics to the OP song are printed on the screen, then you are watching a show that is not for your age group.
• If you make enough porno movies, eventually you can get famous enough to star in commercials.
• If your attack is ineffective, shout louder and try again.
• Importance is directly related to physical attractiveness.
• In space, you can hear everything.
• It is possible to incorporate martial arts into any aspect of life.
• Just about any outer space villain has his sights set on destroying the Earth.
• Life’s challenges are never-ending -- there is always one more challenge.
• Losing your temper can be therapeutic.
• Love conquers all -- when it's a teenage girl doing the fighting.
• Love knows no race, species, or logic.
• Mallets can be stored anywhere on anybody.
• Martial arts experts do their best fighting when silhouetted against the moon -- especially if they're on the roof!
• Morning coffee is the best kind.
• Music foreshadows plot.
• Never fall for the girl who gives her mecha a French name.
• Never fall in love with a psychic.
• Never love a Gundam pilot: you are just destined for disappointment (or a funeral).
• Never trust a guy with shiny teeth.
• Never trust a huge corporation.
• Nice things can come out of video stores that appear from nowhere.
• No matter how big the mech/labor/mobile suit is, if it runs around the corner, the guy chasing it loses the trail.
• No matter how many times you rebuild, Tokyo keeps getting destroyed in a massive fireball.
• No matter how much blood is lost, no one can die by a nosebleed.
• No other planet in the universe will be able to stop a villain from outer space except the Earth.
• Nothing delays romance like unruly neighbors.
• Nothing lasts forever.
• Order takeout at every opportunity -- you might get lucky with a wrong number.
• Outrageous vehicles only make the hero cooler.
• Quivering eyeballs means she's in love.
• Reincarnation is a tricky business.
• Romance never comes simpler than in a triangle.
• School uniforms are cool only when the collar is open.
• Settings and faces are self-generating.
• Smart people wear glasses.
• Snow means love.
• Speak softly, and pilot a big mecha.
• Sweating is a sure sign of stress.
• Takada Yumi really does sing that bad, and people still buy her CDs.
• Teachers have excellent aim with small objects.
• That cute, fuzzy, little creature is not what it seems.
• Teenagers have skills with multiple weapons and magic, the ability to perform superhuman feats, and have many years of experience.
• Tenagers never have to worry about their parents telling them to come home from adventuring before bedtime.
• The average age for adventuring/soldiering is about 15, unless the character is a decorated and battle-hardened soldier, in which case he or she might be as old as 18.
• The best adventuring teams come in fives.
• The coolest guys wear their hair over one eye, Veronica-Lake-style, or better yet, don't let their eyes show at all.
• The coolest weapon is still the sword.
• The cute, fuzzy creature isn't what it seems.
• The English words in J-Pop songs are put there only because they sound good, since they do not make any sense with the rest of the lyrics.
• The fate of the planet rests in the hands of the seemingly normal high school student.
• The girl with the curly hair is always the seductress.
• The good guy always has the BLUE glow.
• The green-haired alien girl will betray her people for the man she loves.
• The guy in the baseball cap is always more powerful than he seems.
• The guys with two earrings are from the Negaverse.
• The harder you try for a relationship, the less likely you will get one.
• The hero always loses the first fight with a new enemy.
• The hero is never really angry until they hurt his girlfriend.
• The heroine must shred her clothes while transforming into something to fight the bad guys.
• The less you care about sex, the more opportunities you will get.
• The longer it takes to say what your punch is called, the less effective it is.
• The main character will have some sort of spikey, overgrown or shaggy hair.
• The martial arts expert is always defenseless against a slap from the girl who loves him.
• The more possessive a woman gets, the less likely she will end up with the man of her dreams.
• The more you glow, the stronger you are.
• The most virtuous character will die first.
• The oldest sister is the nice one, the youngest sister is the brash one.
• The police are never anywhere there is a large amount of property damage.
• The psychic girl is the one with the really cool mark on her forehead.
• The rival in a love triangle is always a better cook.
• The secret for an impossibly tangled love triangle? Put them all in the same house.
• The sexiest girls are drawn by artists whose last names start with "U".
• The smartest people wear glasses.
• The song "Cry Me a River" takes on a whole new meaning.
• The Tokyo Tower has many interesting uses!
• The two-foot-tall geezer is someone to be feared.
• The vampire is not always the bad guy.
• The word "Baka" does not mean a student going for his baccalaureate degree.
• There is always a price to pay (e.g., Tanstaafl).
• There is always room for flashbacks!
• There is no such thing as a public anime showing without heckling.
• There is nothing sexier than high heels on a mech.
• True evil can never be destroyed, only banished to some nether realm where it awakes after a few hundred years.
• Vengeance with a mallet is the sweetest revenge of all.
• War sucks.
• When a man and a woman tumble and fall together, either his hands will end up on her breasts, or his face will end up between them.
• When being hit on the head, it is the most natural thing in the world to tuck your third and fourth fingers in while keeping the others extended.
• When in China, listen to your tour guide.
• When proposing, always use some unusual metaphor, preferably referring to food.
• When someone paints up their face, they mean business.
• When uncovering a fabulous treasure, the thing will be large enough to destroy any surrounding structures.
• When women are sent out to fight the bad guys, there is always a hunk busily watching over them, often in secret.
• When you die, make a long speech, and do not finish the last sentence.
• Women are attracted to nice guys; men are attracted to ANYTHING.
• You always remember the sad endings.
• You can do anything to the human body as long as you hit the right pressure point.
• You CAN do it, but only when it is funny or REALLY important.
• You CAN have too many women in an adventuring team.
• You can never have too many carrots.
• You can never have too many subplots.
• You can never have too much hair.
• You can spot how popular a show is by looking at the amount of fan-fic it has.


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21 Jun 2021, 8:30 pm

SabbraCadabra wrote:
ironpony wrote:
I don't think you can generalize didn't stories of anime and combine them all into one to say they suck. That's like say all black and white movies suck or all color movies suck, or all movies shot in cinescope suck, etc.

Exactly. Or like saying all American cartoons suck.
But it is kind of weird, a lot of anime fans seem to watch just about anything, regardless of quality, as long as it's anime.
I could never get into that.
There's a lot of anime that I like, but most of it just isn't for me.


Yeah. And an anime like Pokemon for example is very different in genre and tone, compared to Grave of the Fireflies. They cover all genres it seems, so I too do not see why people can just put them all into one category.



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22 Jun 2021, 6:31 am

In my opinion anime is a debate that isnt going to go anywhere as people who like it are going to defend it to the grave even the bad parts. For one it sexualizes young girls to the max which is completely unacceptable as guys in there 20's mostly get off over this which essentially make them pedophiles. Japan is a hotspot for them. Young girls over there sell their used underwear in vending machines to high class buisness men. Forever am i seeing posted of anime girls in their underwear. Lolicon is all about pedophilia as well. Yet i have heard by most men that sexualization in anime is acceptable. But most peoples excuses are that it has taught them the power of friendship etc. The female characters prance around with baby voices like the children they are wearing next to nothing with an adults body. I can go on with this as it never ends how bad it is. So if this triggers you then you accept this and you need serious help.



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23 Jun 2021, 11:22 am

Well I think this kind of sounds like a big leap, like saying that anyone who watches or reads entertainment with killing in wants to be a murderer or something along those lines, when not all people are like that, but are still entertained. I was entertained about Rambo III even though it had a record for a high body count at the time, but that doesn't mean I want to go out and do that of course.

Plus I don't think all anime can be lumped into this, and you have to take each story and judge it on a case by case basis, since not anime is the same.



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23 Jun 2021, 2:29 pm

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Well I think this kind of sounds like a big leap, like saying that anyone who watches or reads entertainment with killing in wants to be a murderer or something along those lines, when not all people are like that, but are still entertained. I was entertained about Rambo III even though it had a record for a high body count at the time, but that doesn't mean I want to go out and do that of course.

Plus I don't think all anime can be lumped into this, and you have to take each story and judge it on a case by case basis, since not anime is the same.


It true though. Plus I didnt say all anime.
Also murder is irrelevant as the topic is anime.
But I get your point.



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23 Jun 2021, 2:52 pm

Anime depicts murder far more than it depicts what you're describing, although to be fair I tend to avoid anime that normalizes what you're describing.

Initial D has a subplot involved 'compensated dating' but it certainly wasn't depicted in a positive manner even if it was depicted as semi-normalized.


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23 Jun 2021, 2:57 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Anime depicts murder far more than it depicts what you're describing, although to be fair I tend to avoid anime that normalizes what you're describing.

Initial D has a subplot involved 'compensated dating' but it certainly wasn't depicted in a positive manner even if it was depicted as semi-normalized.


I avoid anime altogether but I'm just giving my opinion on the bad parts.



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23 Jun 2021, 2:58 pm

Shadow1888 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Anime depicts murder far more than it depicts what you're describing, although to be fair I tend to avoid anime that normalizes what you're describing.

Initial D has a subplot involved 'compensated dating' but it certainly wasn't depicted in a positive manner even if it was depicted as semi-normalized.


I avoid anime altogether but I'm just giving my opinion on the bad parts.


I'm not familiar with this but here's why it sucks: blahblahblah

You were understood.


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23 Jun 2021, 8:33 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Shadow1888 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Anime depicts murder far more than it depicts what you're describing, although to be fair I tend to avoid anime that normalizes what you're describing.

Initial D has a subplot involved 'compensated dating' but it certainly wasn't depicted in a positive manner even if it was depicted as semi-normalized.


I avoid anime altogether but I'm just giving my opinion on the bad parts.


I'm not familiar with this but here's why it sucks: blahblahblah

You were understood.


he's right though,and I'm not even going into what I saw in the manga-store in tokyo.
but what he describes is not restricted to anime, but anime is the most widely available asian media product. And it doesn't adhere to western moral standards.
However, anime is even being criticized by japanese artists, for some of the same issues, but with different motivations.
Studio Ghibli's Hayao Miyazaki actually doesn't want his films associated with anime, and calls them "manga-films" himself, and Hideaki Anno as well as the superflat art movement have tried to criticize and satirize anime-tropes with irony... it was the 90s.
And of course, irony is an ineffective way of critique, because even if you're doing something ironically,you're still doing it.

A lot of Japanese eccentricity is justified with having lost ww2, and having to defend its unique culture - and having the right to defend it because it's the only country the nuclear bombs have been dropped on.
(remember Paranoia Agent? the mushroom cloud in the opening sequence of a show which begins with the murder of a mascot-designer? - that's what that is about).

I find anime and its self-critique and comment on japanese culture and society interesting to watch.


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23 Jun 2021, 8:37 pm

shlaifu wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Shadow1888 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Anime depicts murder far more than it depicts what you're describing, although to be fair I tend to avoid anime that normalizes what you're describing.

Initial D has a subplot involved 'compensated dating' but it certainly wasn't depicted in a positive manner even if it was depicted as semi-normalized.


I avoid anime altogether but I'm just giving my opinion on the bad parts.


I'm not familiar with this but here's why it sucks: blahblahblah

You were understood.


he's right though,and I'm not even going into what I saw in the manga-store in tokyo.
but what he describes is not restricted to anime, but anime is the most widely available asian media product. And it doesn't adhere to western moral standards.
However, anime is even being criticized by japanese artists, for some of the same issues, but with different motivations.
Studio Ghibli's Hayao Miyazaki actually doesn't want his films associated with anime, and calls them "manga-films" himself, and Hideaki Anno as well as the superflat art movement have tried to criticize and satirize anime-tropes with irony... it was the 90s.
And of course, irony is an ineffective way of critique, because even if you're doing something ironically,you're still doing it.

A lot of Japanese eccentricity is justified with having lost ww2, and having to defend its unique culture - and having the right to defend it because it's the only country the nuclear bombs have been dropped on.
(remember Paranoia Agent? the mushroom cloud in the opening sequence of a show which begins with the murder of a mascot-designer? - that's what that is about).

I find anime and its self-critique and comment on japanese culture and society interesting to watch.



I don't blame anime for reflecting cultural issues within Japanese culture any more than I blame trap music for reflecting problems within the culture that spawned it.


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23 Jun 2021, 10:19 pm

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Young girls over there sell their used underwear in vending machines to high class buisness men.

America is basically like this now, too, except girls sell their underwear online instead of in vending machines.
Lots of girls webcam stream themselves now, have OnlyFans accounts, etc. etc.
It's been a huge controversy on Twitch for a while, now.


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24 Jun 2021, 11:11 pm

Well I don't think selling underwear can be blamed on anime, can it?



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24 Jun 2021, 11:59 pm

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Well I don't think selling underwear can be blamed on anime, can it?


No, of course not. At least not reasonably. :nerdy:


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29 Jun 2021, 12:34 am

A lot of young men are obsessed over female anime characters.