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07 Jun 2021, 2:18 pm

How come there isn’t a Moose conspiracy?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loyal_Order_of_Moose


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07 Jun 2021, 2:25 pm

My mason friends would probably be grieved to see me post this but:


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07 Jun 2021, 2:26 pm

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I'd rather it be mellow like the Water Buffaloes-----that's all. Seriously. I think of the Freemasons as being something like the Elks or the Knights of Columbus----an organization which has its secrets, but is benevolent.  I think my father was a member of one of these sorts of organizations---but he never talked about it.
If you were a Freemason, you would know just how really BORING our meetings are.  Even the initiations have less drama than a deodorant commercial.  I really wish people who are not Freemasons would STFU* about what goes inside our lodges, because they ALWAYS get it wrong!


:roll: *STFU = "Shut Their Faces Up"


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07 Jun 2021, 2:29 pm

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Well it’s not like these type of claims came out of nowhere like no one’s heard of Epstein links to Harvey Weinstein, Prince Andrew, Trump, the Clinton’s and bill gates.

It’s not even a great leap of imagination that some well connected powerful rich men might use a “go to guy” like Epstein to get them girls to abuse at parties with impunity.

Of course some elite people engage in sex with under-age girls, just as some non-elite people do, and it's certainly possible that some elite people used Epstein as a “go to guy.” That's not what I'm disputing.

But it's a giant leap from the above to the idea that every Democratic politician is child sex abuser, or that every person in any kind of position of power is a member of an ancient "Satanic" child sex abusing cult.

(I also wouldn't conclude that every person who ever attended a party hosted by Jeff Epstein is necessarily in on the under-age sex. Upper class folks tend to hold big parties with hundreds of guests, not all of whom are close personal friends of theirs. They also tend to have thousands, if not tens of thousands, of acquaintances.)

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Also if some celeb in the public space wants to deliberately pose for a picture with occult or satanic undertones then they can expect people to comment or make judgments on it.

So if they don’t want to be associated with this stuff it’s not that hard so they shouldn’t be crying in their beer about incorrect conspiracy theories.

Those entertainment celebrities who deliberately use "Satanic" imagery are probably not "crying in their beer." For celebrities, any publicity is good publicity -- and they probably enjoy trolling the conspiracy-mongers. And, if they are successful enough, they can afford bodyguards.

On the other hand, various other poses that are alleged to be "occult" or "Satanic" simply aren't, except in the imaginations of paranoid conspiracy-mongers.

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If just a fraction of the claims made on Vigilant Citizen is correct about sex abuse in Hollywood then that explains the me too movement.

There probably is a lot of sex abuse in Hollywood. But a grand "Satanic" conspiracy is not necessary in order to explain this.

After all, there are lots and lots of kids who want to be stars, so it's no surprise that there would also be people who take advantage of the kids who want to be stars. Anything that attracts lots of kids is also going to attract at least some predators who will try to take advantage of the kids.

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I mean it’s not even much of a conspiracy theory, rich powerful men with too much time and money engaging in networking for more money power and sex.

This certainly does exist. Again, that in itself is not what I'm disputing.

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Not exactly little green men is it, oh I forgot that’s not a conspiracy theory anymore.

As far as I am aware, there is still no evidence of "little green men." There's just an official acknowledgement of the existence of UFO's, in the literal sense of "Unidentified Flying Objects."


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07 Jun 2021, 2:42 pm

One of the more obnoxious angles of this is the pedophilia, it's obnoxious because it's something that our culture probably could have a much better grasp on if there wasn't a spiked club hanging over anyone's head who'd experienced having it hit them in some capacity. I put it that way because it's things we don't understand which are juicy for 'satanic kabals' and then awful if law enforcement professionals, FBI, etc. don't get trained up well enough on what the core essence is to be able to better spot it, navigate criminal cartels, and shut down such nodes for human trafficking.

I'd add - for the federal law enforcement guys that I do martial arts with, the bulk of what's on their plate is human trafficking (both for sex slavery and work slavery).


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07 Jun 2021, 2:43 pm

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My mason friends would probably be grieved to see me post this but:


Ahh ... if only our meetings were THAT entertaining!  We are lucky if one of our meetings features an 80-year old man playing "Lady of Spain", "Satin Doll", and "The Chicken Dance" on the accordion.


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07 Jun 2021, 2:44 pm

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kraftiekortie wrote:
I'd rather it be mellow like the Water Buffaloes-----that's all. Seriously. I think of the Freemasons as being something like the Elks or the Knights of Columbus----an organization which has its secrets, but is benevolent.  I think my father was a member of one of these sorts of organizations---but he never talked about it.
If you were a Freemason, you would know just how really BORING our meetings are.  Even the initiations have less drama than a deodorant commercial.  I really wish people who are not Freemasons would STFU* about what goes inside our lodges, because they ALWAYS get it wrong!


:roll: *STFU = "Shut Their Faces Up"


Thats why i didnt join, along with the perceived probable socialising, which I’m not that good at. But once again these conspiracy theories are not aimed at your ordinary Maison, like the people I knew or yourself.

If it’s true it’s probably a separate evolved form of freemasonry in name only, or groups within groups. There`s lots of secret societies like Skull & Bones that G Bush junior was a member of.

Once again no one is talking about your ordinary Maison down your street that runs a car showroom & possibly uses membership to further his business network.


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07 Jun 2021, 2:48 pm

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Ahh ... if only our meetings were THAT entertaining!  We are lucky if one of our meetings features an 80-year old man playing "Lady of Spain", "Satin Doll", and "The Chicken Dance" on the accordion.[/color]

I couldn't find the video, but what brought that to mind - there's a mid-west Mason's round table on Youtube whose interviewed some of the authors I track and one of the things they were commenting on at the front of the episode was Usain Bolt wearing a masonic ring while doing a dj mix, but they noted that he was wearing it upside-down and that he was probably paying homage to the 'Freemasons' dj group (video I posted), and yeah - no relation.


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07 Jun 2021, 2:50 pm

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Fnord wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
I'd rather it be mellow like the Water Buffaloes-----that's all. Seriously. I think of the Freemasons as being something like the Elks or the Knights of Columbus----an organization which has its secrets, but is benevolent.  I think my father was a member of one of these sorts of organizations---but he never talked about it.
If you were a Freemason, you would know just how really BORING our meetings are.  Even the initiations have less drama than a deodorant commercial.  I really wish people who are not Freemasons would STFU* about what goes inside our lodges, because they ALWAYS get it wrong!  *STFU = "Shut Their Faces Up"
Thats why i didnt join, along with the perceived probable socialising, which I’m not that good at. But once again these conspiracy theories are not aimed at your ordinary Maison, like the people I knew or yourself.  If it’s true it’s probably a separate evolved form of freemasonry in name only, or groups within groups. There`s lots of secret societies like Skull & Bones that G Bush junior was a member of.  Once again no one is talking about your ordinary Maison down your street that runs a car showroom & possibly uses membership to further his business network.
Backpedaling your story will not improve my opinion of you.


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07 Jun 2021, 4:26 pm

Misslizard wrote:
How come there isn’t a Moose conspiracy?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loyal_Order_of_Moose


Give me a break, I just got here, and Tom Green took all my ideas.



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07 Jun 2021, 4:30 pm

Mona Pereth wrote:

Those entertainment celebrities who deliberately use "Satanic" imagery are probably not "crying in their beer." For celebrities, any publicity is good publicity -- and they probably enjoy trolling the conspiracy-mongers. And, if they are successful enough, they can afford bodyguards.



everyone is too busy crapping on OP to see the problem with this? IE celebs are sort of framing Masons here.

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While Masons are not usually the target directly, the intended target of the mockery tends to associate the Illuminati with masonry.

Its like nobody notices the problem with this because they are glad to see the other side get mocked.

A similar example is MSM whining for days about trump telling everyone to drink or shoot up bleach.



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07 Jun 2021, 5:26 pm

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One of the more obnoxious angles of this is the pedophilia, it's obnoxious because it's something that our culture probably could have a much better grasp on if there wasn't a spiked club hanging over anyone's head who'd experienced having it hit them in some capacity. I put it that way because it's things we don't understand which are juicy for 'satanic kabals' and then awful if law enforcement professionals, FBI, etc. don't get trained up well enough on what the core essence is to be able to better spot it, navigate criminal cartels, and shut down such nodes for human trafficking.

I'd add - for the federal law enforcement guys that I do martial arts with, the bulk of what's on their plate is human trafficking (both for sex slavery and work slavery).

Yep. See:

- Child sex trafficking is a problem, but QAnon isn’t helping: A look inside the #SaveOurChildren campaign and the realities of child sex trafficking in the U.S., by Erica Evans, Deseret News, Oct 17, 2020
- Trump Said QAnon ‘Fights’ Pedophilia. But The Group Has Made It Harder To Protect Kids by Kaleigh Rogers, Five Thirty-Eight, Oct. 15, 2020


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07 Jun 2021, 5:39 pm

The photo of Hillary shows her giving the ASL sign for "love." Obama just is into rock 'n roll, apparently.

So, is there now a deaf conspiracy to subjugate hearing people? Come on guys, let's start a totally baseless conspiracy theory here. We want to get our name up there in the search results and have a million crazy followers.


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07 Jun 2021, 8:36 pm

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Yep. See:

- Child sex trafficking is a problem, but QAnon isn’t helping: A look inside the #SaveOurChildren campaign and the realities of child sex trafficking in the U.S., by Erica Evans, Deseret News, Oct 17, 2020
- Trump Said QAnon ‘Fights’ Pedophilia. But The Group Has Made It Harder To Protect Kids by Kaleigh Rogers, Five Thirty-Eight, Oct. 15, 2020


Law enforcement trainer: "Okay, so you're looking at allegation of children being held on private property and you need to go obtain a permit to search the property. What's the minimum standard for obtaining a permit?"

Q Anon plant: "Find out if they're Democrats?"


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07 Jun 2021, 11:06 pm

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Law enforcement trainer: "Okay, so you're looking at allegation of children being held on private property and you need to go obtain a permit to search the property. What's the minimum standard for obtaining a permit?"

Q Anon plant: "Find out if they're Democrats?"


I wouldn't expect it to work quite like that. I think some combination of the following would be more likely:

1) Extremely trigger-happy reports to Child Protective Services by QAnon believers.
2) QAnon-believing CPS child sex abuse investigators asking lots of inappropriate leading questions of the children of politically active Democrats.
3) Vigilante raids, either by armed individuals, such as the Pizzagate gunman, or by militia groups.


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07 Jun 2021, 11:15 pm

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I wouldn't expect it to work quite like that. I think some combination of the following would be more likely:

1) Extremely trigger-happy reports to Child Protective Services by QAnon believers.
2) QAnon-believing CPS child sex abuse investigators asking lots of inappropriate leading questions of the children of politically active Democrats.
3) Vigilante raids, either by armed individuals, such as the Pizzagate gunman, or by militia groups.

Well yeah, that's if QAnon starts growing again, ie. potential for Satanic Panic 2.0.

The good news here at least - our law enforcement agencies were less prepared to be dealing with evidence obtained through hypnosis, leading questions, etc.. I do take some comfort in Kierkegaard that if something's too fresh in memory and too embarrassing, particularly for parties who are held accountable and can't simply double-down on being wrong, they aren't likely to make the same mistake twice.

On a sadder note, I only found out recently (I think through Mark Stavish on FB) that James Wasserman passed back in November. He was a relatively well-known author and leader in OTO and apparently pretty good lodge master (also not afraid to be openly center-right online even if it meant him getting into plenty of brawls over it). I think of him in all of this because he mentioned in interviews that when the Satanic Panic was in full swing it was a scary time to be associated with OTO, be a father of a young child, and he had no clue if civil liberties would break, child protective services might show up at his door essentially over religion, etc.

That's the other thing that's bad about this - if a mystical moral panic does kick off and law enforcement got forced into it, and if they start getting thrown at occult orders, they're essentially getting sent to heckle nerds. It's the people who couldn't stop asking questions in catechism.


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