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14 Jun 2021, 9:26 am

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Leadership and control are not the same things. Most of the gun violence problem is because of the gun banns in these cities that leave law abiding persons defenseless against criminals.

Then why here, in EU, we don't have gun violence?

Probably because you don't have any Democrats.

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Bernie Sanders would be a moderate here and it's not exaggeration.

Guess again :lol:


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14 Jun 2021, 9:49 am

magz wrote:
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magz wrote:
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Leadership and control are not the same things. Most of the gun violence problem is because of the gun banns in these cities that leave law abiding persons defenseless against criminals.

Then why here, in EU, we don't have gun violence?

Probably because you don't have any Democrats.

:lmao:
Bernie Sanders would be a moderate here and it's not exaggeration.

Guess again :lol:


magz, don't you know the solution to gun violence in America is always to add more guns for "self defence" ??? :? :roll:

There are more guns in the USA than people - 101.x guns per 100 people X ~340M people.. and yet, for some bizarre reason, Americans are blind to the direct correlation of availability of guns to gun violence. Bizarre!!


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14 Jun 2021, 9:52 am

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Only the government should have guns. Then everybody would be safe!! !


Everyone should have a machine gun, fewer guns is obviously the only cause for gun crime. I want a Glock on every hip and an MG 42 slung across every back.


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14 Jun 2021, 4:43 pm

Mr Reynholm wrote:
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Leadership and control are not the same things. Most of the gun violence problem is because of the gun banns in these cities that leave law abiding persons defenseless against criminals.
Then why here, in EU, we don't have gun violence?
Probably because you don't have any Democrats.
Oh please. Surely you can do better than that, or are you really so blinded by bogeymen?


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15 Jun 2021, 2:25 pm

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Oh please. Surely you can do better than that, or are you really so blinded by bogeymen?


The real problem again and again is school and neighborhood segregation. Precious children are trapped in violent, failing schools that are gerrymandered so that student bodies are 98%+ minority (meaning black) and almost no child is proficient in basic academic subjects.

Republicans don't fight enough to dismantle it while Democrats continue to use a 19th century court case called Plessy v Ferguson (separate but equal) to justify not changing it in order to keep their own kids from being exposed to the "racial jungle."

Again and again these shootings happen in a segregated school district and neighborhood.

Here are some of the local schools with demographics where these shootings took place:

https://www.greatschools.org/georgia/sa ... le-School/

https://www.greatschools.org/georgia/sa ... ry-School/

https://www.greatschools.org/illinois/c ... ry-School/

https://www.greatschools.org/ohio/cleve ... gh-School/

The US allows this to happen to children and then wonders why it's elementary school education is near the bottom of all developed nations and why violence is out of control in these same neighborhoods. It's insane.

There are many schools across the US like Revere Elementary in Chicago that are 100% black and not a single child reaches proficient in basic subjects. It must end.



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15 Jun 2021, 3:56 pm

Riiiight. So it's nothing at all to do with - the slack ineffective regulation allowing far too easily available guns, guns and yet more guns, pile 'em on, small ones, big ones, slow ones, fast ones, so long as a bullet comes out the far end and it maims or kills someone that's Ok, because freedumb - then.
Gotcha, thanks for clearing that up.

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The real problem again and again is school and neighborhood segregation. Precious children are trapped in violent, failing schools that are gerrymandered so that student bodies are 98%+ minority (meaning black) and almost no child is proficient in basic academic subjects.
Doesn't really explain Sandy Hook, Las Vegas, Margery Stoneham Douglas, Pulse, etc etc and ad nauseam.


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15 Jun 2021, 7:57 pm

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explain Sandy Hook, Las Vegas, Margery Stoneham Douglas, Pulse, etc etc and ad nauseam.


Segregated schools and neighborhoods explain the bulk crime and violence in American today. That doesn't however indicate that there are no other issues.



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15 Jun 2021, 8:59 pm

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Republicans don't fight enough to dismantle it while Democrats continue to use a 19th century court case called Plessy v Ferguson (separate but equal) to justify not changing it in order to keep their own kids from being exposed to the "racial jungle." .


Why make this a democrat issue?? I don't see republican voters tripping over themselves to live in the ghettoes?
Countries with the strictest gun laws also have the lowest gun crime rates.

It's not rocket science.



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16 Jun 2021, 7:41 am

It's a segregation issue. It needs fixed.

How can we continue to force children to live in violent neighborhoods and attend failing schools?



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16 Jun 2021, 7:45 am

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Why make this a democrat issue?? I don't see republican voters tripping over themselves to live in the ghettoes?
Countries with the strictest gun laws also have the lowest gun crime rates.

It's not rocket science.


No one is tripping over themselves to live in any of these segregated neighborhoods and have their kids attend these failing segregated schools. Why would they? All families regardless of race get out if they can and have opportunities to do so.

Those segregated US neighborhoods already have some of the strictest gun laws in the US yet gun crime is out of control. Why?



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16 Jun 2021, 7:53 am

The same people calling for more gun regulation tend to be the same people saying "defund the police." Who's gonna enforce these restrictions you guys tout?



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16 Jun 2021, 7:58 am

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The same people calling for more gun regulation tend to be the same people saying "defund the police." Who's gonna enforce these restrictions you guys tout?


Are cops usually the people enforcing regulations on business?

Defunding the police means having funds available to have people trained to respond correctly to issues respond instead of always sending police. I fail to see how this will result in being unable to enforce business regulations in the same way that reducing the number of cops won't impact the ability to enforce municipal zoning laws.


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16 Jun 2021, 8:09 am

funeralxempire wrote:
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The same people calling for more gun regulation tend to be the same people saying "defund the police." Who's gonna enforce these restrictions you guys tout?


Are cops usually the people enforcing regulations on business?

Defunding the police means having funds available to have people trained to respond correctly to issues respond instead of always sending police. I fail to see how this will result in being unable to enforce business regulations in the same way that reducing the number of cops won't impact the ability to enforce municipal zoning laws.


If there's a shooting, I'm not sure who these other people are who have been "trained to respond correctly," other than paramedics. Guns are outlawed tomorrow. Okay...there are now a bunch of illegal guns still out there. Who's gonna put a stop to/respond to these shootings?



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16 Jun 2021, 8:10 am

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Are cops usually the people enforcing regulations on business?


Which businesses are responsible for these mass shootings in segregated US neighborhoods? How are they relevant?



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16 Jun 2021, 8:13 am

ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
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The same people calling for more gun regulation tend to be the same people saying "defund the police." Who's gonna enforce these restrictions you guys tout?


Are cops usually the people enforcing regulations on business?

Defunding the police means having funds available to have people trained to respond correctly to issues respond instead of always sending police. I fail to see how this will result in being unable to enforce business regulations in the same way that reducing the number of cops won't impact the ability to enforce municipal zoning laws.


If there's a shooting, I'm not sure who these other people are who have been "trained to respond correctly," other than paramedics. Guns are outlawed tomorrow. Okay...there are now a bunch of illegal guns still out there. Who's gonna put a stop to/respond to these shootings?


You're picking two unrelated things and demanding to know how they will solve a problem they're not intended to.

Gun regulations aren't intended to reduce the number of guns that currently exist on the streets, they're designed to stop the inventory from growing.

Not sending police do deal with some sorts of calls doesn't mean they would cease to be available to respond to violent crime.


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16 Jun 2021, 8:18 am

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Not sending police do deal with some sorts of calls doesn't mean they would cease to be available to respond to violent crime.

Violent crime will increase with a reduced police presence. Not that I'm trying to support police brutality and corruption, just that if criminals know there's a political push to have even less police around, they're more emboldened to commit even more brazen crimes...including gun violence.