Bio-psycho-social model
Please stop being childish and using derogatory dismissive language. This is not "burpee theory of depression".
My opinion is logical conclusion based on neuroscience, biochemistry, psychology, fully concordant with the hierarchy of natural systems of biopsychosocial model.
If you don't like to debate approaches based on real scientific evidence, I would guess you will be happy to talk about some made up BS theories, like Beck's cognitive theory of depression.
Yes, I really hope discerning readers would decide on their own whose perspective to adopt.
For anyone interested, my very simple, actionable and effective approach: "Sleeping with open window, 1 minute of intense burpees, 15 minutes of direct sunlight and 2 eggs a day keeps depression away", 90% of effect in prevention of depression from like 1% effort. It gives me mental power and motivation to deal with all my problems and cover all my social, emotional, creative needs.
For stupid people who would pick on specific words instead of general approach, I'll repeat again, this is not about specifically burpees, it's about physiological effects, if you can't do burpees, be intentional about achieving the same effects. This is no about eggs, if you are allergic to eggs or something, be intentional about consuming proteins, especially tryptophan. This is not about keeping window open, this is about making sure carbon dioxide level in your room is not too high, if you can't open window or it's too cold where you live, just be intentional about air quality.
If you don't like to debate approaches based on real scientific evidence, I would guess you will be happy to talk about some made up BS theories, like Beck's cognitive theory of depression.
Also, Bea: It's not a good idea to post debate in The Haven. No, it doesn't make it more likely to be read by depressed users - they tend to stick to their own The Haven threads. It only creates a chaotic situation with the rules.
If you want it read by depressed users, post a link to this discussion in their respective threads.
The discussion would be appropriate in Health & Fitness or in Bipolar & other conditions.
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Let's not confuse being normal with being mentally healthy.
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If you don't like to debate approaches based on real scientific evidence, I would guess you will be happy to talk about some made up BS theories, like Beck's cognitive theory of depression.
Why bother? To win argument? When I quote some reasoning from publications OP just says " this is meaningless mumbo-jumbo". This is lost cause.
If you are interested in your own health, you can google the same publications and articles like this one in like 5 seconds this all first page of results in google.
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Do you understand what legal disclaimers are for? Do you understand legalities of medical advise? Do you understand why CBT is still used by practitioners, while there is scientific evidence of it not working as treatment of depression?
Do you understand how scientific method works? There never will be unanimous agreement about anything. There is no agreement even about definitions of clinical depression and MDD.
There are mechanistic studies of biochemical processes, if you look into it, you will understand there is no way around it., our body needs physical activity, just like it needs water, food and sunlight.
What is your point even? Argument for the sake of argument?
If anyone wants to get rid of depression, this approach is a low risk, low effort thing. Being physically active will not harm you, eating healthier will not harm you, 15 minutes of sunlight will not harm you, breathing clean air will not harm you. Best case scenario, it will eliminate your depression, worst case scenario it will improve your physical health.
While I believe CBT is useless BS, I do not recommend people to stop other therapies and medications and focus only on these things.
With this ratio of potential benefits/risks/effort there is nothing to argue against. This is meaningless and useless argument.
No one here claims human body doesn't need physical activity to remain healthy.
However, none of the scientific papers I've seen so far claimed exercise would prevent "90% of depression" or anything like that.
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Let's not confuse being normal with being mentally healthy.
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However, none of the scientific papers I've seen so far claimed exercise would prevent "90% of depression" or anything like that.
And who claimed exercise would prevent "90% of depression"? Definitely not me. There are several factors in my checklist.
What the point? Why do you argue? Why do you make up BS I didn't say and argue against it? What is wrong with you?
Again, with this ratio of potential benefits/risks/effort of my approach there is nothing to argue against. This is meaningless and useless argument. I don't understand all the rejection and denial.
I have noticed a few members who seem to equate "some" with "all", "studies suggest" with "research proves", and "anomaly" with "every instance". While I suspect it is an aspie thing, it may also be that some people feel uncomfortable with anything that falls short of absolute.
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Yes, I've noticed them too. I say something like "Intense physical activity downregulates stress and improves tryptophan metabolism and reduces level of quinolinic acid in the brain" and they equate it to "Physical activity is all you need to completely cure depression". Aren't some people stupid?
Ok, not just exercise.
However, when I see anyone saying "it's science", there's a little red light in my brain that says [citation needed] and I start asking for the citation.
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Let's not confuse being normal with being mentally healthy.
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See what I did there?
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See what I did there?
Yes, I see what you did. You replied with meaningless argument for the sake of argument again. WHAT IS YOUR POINT?
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In the military, I'd work a 12 hour shift at my physically intensive job, then go run 10 miles.
I still suffered depression.
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"If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced."
-XFG (no longer a moderator)
See what I did there?
Yes, I see what you did. You replied with meaningless argument for the sake of argument again. WHAT IS YOUR POINT?
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