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17 Jun 2021, 9:22 am
""God" as a rigid personification of law and rule, handy to gain political power - I don't think so.
"God" as a personification of more to life than just our small selves - I think yes."
'My God' Quoted For Truth, HeaR, too;
Yes All Theist; 'All' Means 'Pan'
Bingo! Pan-theist; True
in Environments of
SCaRCiTiES "Big Sky Daddy
God's" Arise to Secure Subsistence,
Reproductive Control, And Territory
As Big Daddy God's are Constructed As Religious/Political/
Social Devices; Yes, Tools To Bond And Bind Over As Tribal God's Arise
To Rule Others in Dividing And Conquering Ways of Human Tribal Nature...
Of Course As Science Shows, All Sentient Beings View Existence Differently;
So, Even in One Sect, of One Pew, of One Religion, in One Church, Ya Get
As Many Views of Existence, Overall, Including Abstract Constructs of God
As There is
Eyes in the
Overall Congregations too...
And To Be Clear, THere Are Other
More Inclusive Terms of 'Pan-All-Theist'
Too As Some Term that the Observable Measurable
Universe And Others Like me Use Additional Abstract Constructs
to Describe God of All Measure And Immeasurable Existence too, in Example,
The Human Conscious And Subconscious Mind; The Inner Unique Universe of
Each Sentient Being And Particularly in the Case of Human Beings Where there
Is No Science Tool Adequate to Measure Our Conscious And Subconscious Existence
As of Course, Those Aren't Two Separate Experiences; We Are Just More Aware of One than the other Now...
Anyway, For Many
Pan-theists Who
See Nature As God
Nature's Beauty Technically
Is Proof of God For Many of THOSE
FOLKS FOR REAL FOR NOW; True, No one here
Will Ever Disprove A Pantheist God's Existence;
Yes, True at Least By Measure, Science Shows 'Nature God' Is Real;
However, Science Alone, Does Not Experience Beauty; Nor Do Some Humans Either
As The Experience of Beauty is An Organic One That Not All Folks Have the Ability to Perceive...
The Biggest
God Is
All;
Shouldn't
Take A 'Rocket
Scientist' to Prove This
When Most of the Other Animals
Not Saddled With Word Thought Even
Have to Question The Experience They Enjoy And Struggle With As All...
Meanwhile, Folks Separate Existence into As Many Puzzle Pieces as they Wish;
Others
Live
All Whole
Complete Nature Enough Naked
in Balance FRiEnDS With Gravity Best
In All Stuff Existence; Meh, Most Humans In So Many Layers of Tools
(Clothes) They Create And Transform into Getting Lost Somewhere on the Bus From 'Work' on
the 'Long Way Back Home'... And Some Folks Worship Death More Than Life; And They Hope to
Meet Big Sky Daddy
God There....
Clue:
Short
Cut is Naked Nature Now Free...
At Least the Other Animals Do It....
While, Like The Movie 'Contact' Inspired
By Carl Sagan, Connections of Love is What
Breeds Happiness Among Human FRiEnDS;
Yet Humans Are A Strange Mix, With Imaginations
And Creativities, Who In Self-Fulfilling Fruition Create Both Dreams of Heaven And
Nightmares of HeLL ON EartH; Cheers, Here's A 'Contact Toast' Wishing Y'All Are Here;
Yet to Be Clear, The Scene in the Movie 'Contact' is 'Pensacola Beach'; Obviously Where
i LiVE iT iS Much Easier to See Nature As God Than Some 'God Awful Middle East Patch of Dirt'
Is It Any Wonder Trademarks
God Became
Man And
Man Became
'Last Prophet' 'Over there'
Where Tribal God's Took Care of "His People"
No, Not at All, 'Those' People Still Carry that
Tradition And Exercise it Within, In The Nature
of Paradise Beach Here; It's All About a Room With A View;
It's All About the Inner UNiVeRSE of Being Human; Two Folks
At the Beach, Hand-in-Hand, one Person Living Heaven the Other one Living Hell...
Been to Both
Sides of
'That Beach'
too, Cheers to
Heaven Within for Close
to 95 Months, Since 7.19.2013...
Thrilled Enough to Write my Own Bible
Longest Form Poem RiSinG to 9.4 MiLLioN Words
in 94 Months; Yes As of 6.18.2021, Tomorrow; Yes,
Honestly, Really, Everyone Writes Their Own Bible;
Whether It's Words or How They Uniquely View
Existence; Some of Us Find Ways to Give and
Share Ours Freely Caring Hopefully Doing it
With Least Harm For All Considered; And
Of Course, my Feeling of Heaven Sensing
The Autotelic Flow and Frission of Dancing
In Public 15,015 Miles Now in the Last 93
Months, Scoring 100 Percent on 'OCEAN' Personality
Traits of Openness And Extraversion; Would Be Literally
Hell For my Wife Who Scores Much Higher in Neuroticism
Than My Close to Zero Score on that Measure too; So Introverted
She is And In Some Areas of Existence A lot more Closed Minded and Bodied 'SouLeD' than me..
Hehe And Not Nearly As Agreeable as Me as Hey, It's Easier to Be Agreeable in Heaven Within Now too...
Conscientious Only on the Task At Hand; She takes Care of the Rest of the Duties That Helps my Heaven too...
Mileage Varies DePenDinG
ALWaYS NoW oN Make
And Model of the
Human Being Vessel
And Vehicle For Heaven
Or Hell; Oh God Yes Now
Oh God Whether Ya Live
Next to Pensacola Beach
Or A Frigging Barren Desert
Where Just Finding Water is a Life or Death Contingency of Life...
Location, Location, Location, Within, Inside, Outside, Above So
Below And All Around; Plenty of Material Still Coming For A Much Bigger
Bible to Eternally Create
Now...
Yawn
Just
A Never
Ending
Nether Land
Story Ongoing indeed This 'God Business' Is...
i Don't LiVE Directly On the Beach; Yet my
Backyard, A Real Garden of Eden is Nestled
in A Forest in A Subdivision Where The Backyard
Nature Travels into Forever of Zen FLoW iN View
And A 7,700 Square Foot Outdoor Room Has Board-
On-Board Complete Privacy Fencing Just installed Yesterday
As My Wife is Always Nagging me Don't Go Outside in Your
Underwear, the Neighbors Might See You in the Small Openings
Between Each Board of the Older Style Privacy Picket Fence; Yes,
New Technologies We Master And Do Not Become Mastered By
Do Enhance The Experience of Heaven, Like This Cool New Typewriter i Found Online
to Stream Consciousness of Holy Creative FLoWinG HeaRT SoUL SPiRiT Everywhere i Go Globally
Managing To Fit All 242 Pounds of my Soul And More In Abstract Constructs At the
Speed of LiGHT; Yes, All Around the Globe Now Through This Fiber
Optic Cable And Yes Uploading Soul this Way Foot Prints
'On The
Beach'
Aren't
Easily
Washed
Away By
'The Tides of Life'
Wave Am i Continuing to Rise
Gently Falling RiSinG Even More
BaLaNCinG Peace/Love FRiEnDS With Gravity in All
Stuff Existence; my Key to Heaven At Least Always OPen 24/7...
In the Movie 'Contact', in An Earlier part of it, When 'Jodie Foster'
First Viewed 'This Paradise' She Said, "So Beautiful" in the 'Frission' She
Was Experiencing Viewing Heaven on Earth in Space; She Said, Instead of A Scientist
"They Should
Have
Sent
A Poet"
to Describe it;
Thing is, If Ya
Don't Experience
The Feeling Sense Head to Toe of 'Orgasmic
Frission' THaT Divine Experience Doesn't Even Exist, For You Whoever You Are,
Personally by UNiVeRSE; No Matter How Great A Poet is Who Puts 'God' Into Words;
InDeed, For Words May only Be Empty Shells on A Beach With no 'See Life (God)'...
Some Folks
Describe
It As Word
Salad too; Those
Now Who See Only
Form Missing Essence Within...
Anyway... God Yes,
Here's Another
Toast, Cheers
to 'Wishing Ya Are Here'...
And to Be Clear my Heaven
Might Be 'Your' Version of Hell...
Obviously, There's Only One Solution;
Create Your Own Heaven or Hell; Write/
Create Your Own 'Bible Of Creative Existence'; Play It; Act it For Real Now;
"Field of Dreams", When 'He' Comes to Play, He And Or Her, Will Be Only You...
With An Option, of Giving Freely, Caring Sharing, Your Version, Your Vision of Heaven
or Hell
or the
Tween
of Grey SHades Existing Now...
Obviously 'Purgatory' On Earth is a Lowest Price to Rent...
And Obviously A Place Most Folks Do Exist, Never too 'Hot' or 'Cold'....
Just Out of Reach of Heaven And Hell Within on Earth For Real; Truly
Perhaps
One Has
To Really
Go to Hell
Now to Get to
Heaven And Stay Forever
Now; as i Observe Human
Nature; More Evidently This
Seems True in Dark And LiGHT too...
-Wishing
Y'all Are THeRE..
17 Jun 2021, 9:48 am
17 Jun 2021, 10:07 am
If nature's beauty is proof of God, then is nature's ugliness proof of no God? For example, if the image on the left proves the existence of God, does the image on the right prove God does not exist?
envirozentinel
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17 Jun 2021, 10:12 am
17 Jun 2021, 10:28 am
Fnord wrote:
If nature's beauty is proof of God, then is nature's ugliness proof of no God? For example, if the image on the left proves the existence of God, does the image on the right prove God does not exist?
Duh,
There Are
Plenty of Hot
And Cold Rocks
In Space We Can't
Reasonably Live on...
If Ya Can't Figure Out
Nature God Is Both Destroyer
And Creator One Must Be Living
Somewhere Else Yet Reality Now Hehe...
Yet of Course, You Like me Come From A BackwardsGround
That Separates God into Two Factions; Devil As Well...
To Accomodate
The Fact
That Pain
Makes Pleasure
Feel Better And
Fires Get Nature Back
In Balance When Humans
Wreck Havoc on the Nature of Balance...
Yes That Town Fire Is Ugly; Yet Still Beautiful, If You Are Seeing
Earth From Space And All 'The Cancer' Human Cultures Erect Out of Balance...
Just Depends on A Person's Vision; Some Are Far Sighted; Some Are Near Sighted;
Others See More...
And to Be
Clear
Not
All
Is 'Plain
English' Either Hehe..
17 Jun 2021, 10:38 am
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17 Jun 2021, 11:03 am
17 Jun 2021, 11:44 am
Fnord wrote:
My point is that "the Beauty of Nature" cannot prove the existence of God any more than the ugliness of nature proves that God does not exist.
Yes, Yes, 'IT' Both Can And Will;
Both Ugly And Beauty Of Nature
May Prove the Nature of God
For Those Who See All As God'
If One Sees ALL Nature As God Now,
Both Ugly And Beautiful
Same;
And This
Is What Many
Eastern Philosophies
Teach Without 'Clothes'
Of Restricting God Only
For What Humans Wear
In Perceptions of the Tools They Create
And Sadly Become too; In Example, Words Humanly
Abstractly Constructed In A Book Held High to the Heavens Worshipped
As God As Tool Humans Become Rather than Naked Nature Wild Loving
Free; Yes, Both Dark And Light Accepting What Is Best We Can and Will...
Meh, Works
for
me
at
Least...
My God At Least
Is Nature And Real
Both DarK Thru LiGHT
Easy Enough to Prove it
Exists Just Take A Look Around
As Sadly One of the Most Prevalent
Disorders Today is NDD, Nature Deficit
Disorder in my Book Of Life For REAL; GDD, GoD Deficit Disorder Same.
As Far As Semantics Goes, You Are Just Gonna Have to Accept The Fact
That Some Folks Are Pan-All-Theists Or Turn a Blind EYe As Many Do;
All Inclusive; No
Exclusions Baby...
It's Not Like No One
Has Ever Come Up With
A Metaphor Like 'Alpha Thru Omega'
Either And Naming God Any Thing Is Vain And Idol Same...
Anyway, All Nature Subsumes All Smaller 'Trademark Gods' For Real
AS Human iMaGiNaTioN And Creativity Is Ever Nature
Bit As Real As the Leaves We iMaGiNE Co-Creating on
Trees And May Actually
Come to Be
too As
Leaves Feeding
Our Trees Falling
To Soils And Feeding
Souls Of Other Living Trees;
(AKA 'Lion King Circle of Life')
It's Just A Metaphor Baby; It's
Just Another Way of SPeaKinG Nature God...
Way i See it, Trust No Human Clothes (Tools) Alone;
Particularly, Suits, Robes, Ties, And Books; If It's Not On 'A Beach'
And Enough By Bare Foot Prints Left Alone; i Tend to Question it more FOR REAL..
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